The inheiritance. 1976 P6b
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ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Chris - Scott's is literally on the way to my girlfriends house so that is sorted and I have not one, but TWO copies of the genuine workshop manual, I'll never ever buy/own/lay my eyes on a Gregories/Haynes book of lies after I spat the dummy years ago late one night and came across their bullshit "assembly is the reverse of the dis-assembly procedure"
I do need the spares manual though. Luckily I have become good friends with this guy:
http://www.motorbookworld.com/
David will probably have one.
Already ordered a bonnet badge off Ian, already got stuff on order from Rimmer Bros.
Land Rover stuff is eye wateringly expensive here as they are a "prestige" vehicle and the importer thinks everything is made from unobtainium. Incidentally, many years ago my uncle used a land rover/range rover starter motor to replace one on a brand new lamborghini that had rusted out after too many steam cleanings of the engine bay. /useless tidbit for the day!
ps. any jobs in Thailand? I love the place!
pps. Al - missus lives in Moorabbin, Score! Silly bastards that have taken the rocker covers off have completely and utterly rounded some of them off. :x
Chris - Scott's is literally on the way to my girlfriends house so that is sorted and I have not one, but TWO copies of the genuine workshop manual, I'll never ever buy/own/lay my eyes on a Gregories/Haynes book of lies after I spat the dummy years ago late one night and came across their bullshit "assembly is the reverse of the dis-assembly procedure"
I do need the spares manual though. Luckily I have become good friends with this guy:
http://www.motorbookworld.com/
David will probably have one.
Already ordered a bonnet badge off Ian, already got stuff on order from Rimmer Bros.
Land Rover stuff is eye wateringly expensive here as they are a "prestige" vehicle and the importer thinks everything is made from unobtainium. Incidentally, many years ago my uncle used a land rover/range rover starter motor to replace one on a brand new lamborghini that had rusted out after too many steam cleanings of the engine bay. /useless tidbit for the day!
ps. any jobs in Thailand? I love the place!
pps. Al - missus lives in Moorabbin, Score! Silly bastards that have taken the rocker covers off have completely and utterly rounded some of them off. :x
ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
ps we completely and utterly deserved a thrashing in the cricket. Pointing should have been sacked for taking money from bookmakers years ago. Best time for aussie cricket was when we had Boonie, Huges, Gilchrist, Ian Healey, Steve Waugh and Alan Border.
ps we completely and utterly deserved a thrashing in the cricket. Pointing should have been sacked for taking money from bookmakers years ago. Best time for aussie cricket was when we had Boonie, Huges, Gilchrist, Ian Healey, Steve Waugh and Alan Border.
ewokracing
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parts chasing
I'll start with the simple things:
I need a new radiator cap as the one that is on the car is for a reservoir equipped system, which this car is not.
I need a new set of the rubber bushes on the support rod(?) That goes over the passenger side of the engine bay
I need a bolt for the bottom of the air cleaner. I also need the rubber O that goes on the bottom of the air cleaner. One side has it, the other side does not.
I had a look at the worshop manual and I believe that there is a bushing that sits on the end of the shaft here? It's at the back of the engine over the transmission
Pretty sure that this is set up incorrectly! I need a good clear photo of how the linkage is meant to be set up if anyone has one
Vacuum fitting with no hose attached? What is meant to go on here?
Ok, I need help with this. The line that runs back from the SU, how is it meant to be routed? on mine it just loops under the air cleaner muffler and sits on top of the engine where it is getting knocked around by the linkage shaft.
I found this bracket on the line
Dropped down the back of the engine on top of the transmission
Is it meant to be bolted to this thread on the inlet manifold?
More questions to come.
I'll start with the simple things:
I need a new radiator cap as the one that is on the car is for a reservoir equipped system, which this car is not.
I need a new set of the rubber bushes on the support rod(?) That goes over the passenger side of the engine bay
I need a bolt for the bottom of the air cleaner. I also need the rubber O that goes on the bottom of the air cleaner. One side has it, the other side does not.
I had a look at the worshop manual and I believe that there is a bushing that sits on the end of the shaft here? It's at the back of the engine over the transmission
Pretty sure that this is set up incorrectly! I need a good clear photo of how the linkage is meant to be set up if anyone has one
Vacuum fitting with no hose attached? What is meant to go on here?
Ok, I need help with this. The line that runs back from the SU, how is it meant to be routed? on mine it just loops under the air cleaner muffler and sits on top of the engine where it is getting knocked around by the linkage shaft.
I found this bracket on the line
Dropped down the back of the engine on top of the transmission
Is it meant to be bolted to this thread on the inlet manifold?
More questions to come.
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Hello Geoff,
The correct radiator cap is a 15psi issue not 16 as is fitted. CPC 534/15 is the part number of the correct one, which you can pick up at Repco, Supercheapautos etc.
The engine tie rod bushes are the same as fitted to the steering damper on the Rover V8 powered Range Rovers if my memory serves me correctly. Pop into your local Land/Range Rover spares centre, they will have them.
There is indeed a rubber bush that fits in the bracket to locate the accelerator linkage. Rover Classics have them, there are two needed, one for the bracket on the manifold too.
The cable ties look very bodgy. The rubber bush or rather bearing as it is called as I mentioned above goes into the bracket just there. I imagine once fitted, the cable ties which appear to be securing a piece of rubber hose, will be redundant.
There was no vacuum hose fitted there as standard, but if you wanted to run a vacuum gauge you could run the hose from there. Normally there is just a bolt there without the banjo fitting.
I am not sure where your spill return hose is meant to be routed as I have not seen one before coming off the n/s carb to have a good squizz at. The bracket looks as if it goes where you indicated.
Ron.
Hello Geoff,
The correct radiator cap is a 15psi issue not 16 as is fitted. CPC 534/15 is the part number of the correct one, which you can pick up at Repco, Supercheapautos etc.
The engine tie rod bushes are the same as fitted to the steering damper on the Rover V8 powered Range Rovers if my memory serves me correctly. Pop into your local Land/Range Rover spares centre, they will have them.
There is indeed a rubber bush that fits in the bracket to locate the accelerator linkage. Rover Classics have them, there are two needed, one for the bracket on the manifold too.
The cable ties look very bodgy. The rubber bush or rather bearing as it is called as I mentioned above goes into the bracket just there. I imagine once fitted, the cable ties which appear to be securing a piece of rubber hose, will be redundant.
There was no vacuum hose fitted there as standard, but if you wanted to run a vacuum gauge you could run the hose from there. Normally there is just a bolt there without the banjo fitting.
I am not sure where your spill return hose is meant to be routed as I have not seen one before coming off the n/s carb to have a good squizz at. The bracket looks as if it goes where you indicated.
Ron.
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Will have a look at where the hose on mine is routed and see if it looks to be the same as yours, will see if i can post some pics shortly.
Mine only had a rubber ring at the non-detachable end of the air filter housing too - not sure if there are meant to be 2. I went with replacing the existing filters with new Ryco A80s and cleaned up/repainted the canister on mine.
If you need any Land Rover/Range Rover parts in Melbourne I can highly recommend "British Car Components" in North Melbourne, Graeme who runs it is an absolute top bloke and i have never been able to find better pricing than from him on any Land Rover or Jag bits I've needed, he's also well worth a shot on other P6 specific parts - he had the rear diff central crossmember mount I needed sitting in stock for example. http://www.britcar.com.au
Will have a look at where the hose on mine is routed and see if it looks to be the same as yours, will see if i can post some pics shortly.
Mine only had a rubber ring at the non-detachable end of the air filter housing too - not sure if there are meant to be 2. I went with replacing the existing filters with new Ryco A80s and cleaned up/repainted the canister on mine.
If you need any Land Rover/Range Rover parts in Melbourne I can highly recommend "British Car Components" in North Melbourne, Graeme who runs it is an absolute top bloke and i have never been able to find better pricing than from him on any Land Rover or Jag bits I've needed, he's also well worth a shot on other P6 specific parts - he had the rear diff central crossmember mount I needed sitting in stock for example. http://www.britcar.com.au
ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
more questions!
steering dampner, is that the thing pointed out with the red arrows?
as this
is a close up of the end closest to the radiator. What does this thing do anyway?
Other questions from the picture with the arrows:
- Does anyone know where the fuel line (pointed out with the green arrows) is meant to be routed? I'm stuck.
- What is the U shaped hose at the back of the engine (pointed out with the purple arrow) ? I tried to look and see where it goes but it's pretty dark and gloomy back there!
I'm taking my motorcycle in for some much deserved tlc in tomorrow (and I'm skipping work ) so I'm going to grab some bits and pieces tomorrow and see if I can get some K&N filters to sit inside the air filter canister/muffler/barrel. I've also got to get the brakes checked out on my Mazda, so I'll drop past a brake place I know and book that in and at the same time ask if they can do the Rover again (they did all the brakes last time but the car sat for years afterwards so I suspect it may need more tlc, I suspect that it's the front passenger wheel bearing that is noisy).
SydneyRoverP6B said:Hello Geoff,
The correct radiator cap is a 15psi issue not 16 as is fitted. CPC 534/15 is the part number of the correct one, which you can pick up at Repco, Supercheapautos etc.
noted, I've got to get a fuel filter tomorrow, so I'll grab one then. Do you know if there is a ryco fuel filter to suit as well?
The engine tie rod bushes are the same as fitted to the steering damper on the Rover V8 powered Range Rovers if my memory serves me correctly. Pop into your local Land/Range Rover spares centre, they will have them.
see below
There is indeed a rubber bush that fits in the bracket to locate the accelerator linkage. Rover Classics have them, there are two needed, one for the bracket on the manifold too.
I thought so, excellent, I'll order some asap
The cable ties look very bodgy. The rubber bush or rather bearing as it is called as I mentioned above goes into the bracket just there. I imagine once fitted, the cable ties which appear to be securing a piece of rubber hose, will be redundant.
There was no vacuum hose fitted there as standard, but if you wanted to run a vacuum gauge you could run the hose from there. Normally there is just a bolt there without the banjo fitting.
so should there be a little "condom" - for want of a better word to block off that vacuum fitting or just leave it as is?
I am not sure where your spill return hose is meant to be routed as I have not seen one before coming off the n/s carb to have a good squizz at. The bracket looks as if it goes where you indicated.
see pics (because we all love pictures!
Ron.
more questions!
steering dampner, is that the thing pointed out with the red arrows?
as this
is a close up of the end closest to the radiator. What does this thing do anyway?
Other questions from the picture with the arrows:
- Does anyone know where the fuel line (pointed out with the green arrows) is meant to be routed? I'm stuck.
- What is the U shaped hose at the back of the engine (pointed out with the purple arrow) ? I tried to look and see where it goes but it's pretty dark and gloomy back there!
I'm taking my motorcycle in for some much deserved tlc in tomorrow (and I'm skipping work
) so I'm going to grab some bits and pieces tomorrow and see if I can get some K&N filters to sit inside the air filter canister/muffler/barrel. I've also got to get the brakes checked out on my Mazda, so I'll drop past a brake place I know and book that in and at the same time ask if they can do the Rover again (they did all the brakes last time but the car sat for years afterwards so I suspect it may need more tlc, I suspect that it's the front passenger wheel bearing that is noisy).
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Hello Geoff,
The engine tie rod..pointed too with red arrows, retains the engine from placing too much tension on the n/s engine mount, which would see it fail in a short space of time without it.
The black tube pointed too with purple arrows is the transmission breather tube. Should the transmission be overfilled then the fluid can exit via the breather, although that is not a reason to allow it to be overfilled.
Ron.
Hello Geoff,
The engine tie rod..pointed too with red arrows, retains the engine from placing too much tension on the n/s engine mount, which would see it fail in a short space of time without it.
The black tube pointed too with purple arrows is the transmission breather tube. Should the transmission be overfilled then the fluid can exit via the breather, although that is not a reason to allow it to be overfilled.
Ron.
Brian-Northampton
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Your Steering Damper (also known as a Steering Idler) is the thing that is just hidden in the first photo by the automatic gearbox dipstick tube. The exact opposite side of the engine bay to the steering box.
Bri.
Your Steering Damper (also known as a Steering Idler) is the thing that is just hidden in the first photo by the automatic gearbox dipstick tube. The exact opposite side of the engine bay to the steering box.
Bri.
ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Gotcha!
I thought the tie rod was some kind of scottish engineering bridge brace! The bracket that holds the air conditioning condensor looks like it could be used to lift the whole car up off the ground. I will see if there is a rangie/landie dealer near me. Any particular year/model I should be looking for? The rubber bushes on the tie rod almost look the same as the rubber bushes on top of old rotary Mazda rear shock absorbers.
Gotcha. I am not brave enough to even think about steering bits and pieces yet.
ps my dad has always lusted after a TR4a ever since he had a 2500tc. I love that colour blue too.
SydneyRoverP6B said:
Gotcha!
I thought the tie rod was some kind of scottish engineering bridge brace!
The bracket that holds the air conditioning condensor looks like it could be used to lift the whole car up off the ground. I will see if there is a rangie/landie dealer near me. Any particular year/model I should be looking for? The rubber bushes on the tie rod almost look the same as the rubber bushes on top of old rotary Mazda rear shock absorbers.Bri said:
Gotcha. I am not brave enough to even think about steering bits and pieces yet.
ps my dad has always lusted after a TR4a ever since he had a 2500tc. I love that colour blue too.
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
ewokracing wrote,...
I don't know... :? When I last went to TR Spares here in Sydney and purchased some, I told them what it was for and described them and from that they produced the bushes,..made for the job.. You would be quite surprised just how many parts actually run across from the P6B to the Range Rovers, right up until 2004.
Ron.
ewokracing wrote,...
I don't know... :? When I last went to TR Spares here in Sydney and purchased some, I told them what it was for and described them and from that they produced the bushes,..made for the job..
You would be quite surprised just how many parts actually run across from the P6B to the Range Rovers, right up until 2004.Ron.
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Just had a squizz amongst my receipts..found it...
Bush-steering damper for Range Rover....part number R568858
Ron.
Just had a squizz amongst my receipts..found it...
Bush-steering damper for Range Rover....part number R568858
Ron.
ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Hi Hans!
sorry, I forgot to reply. Yes, unfortunately it will probably be a lot less expensive for me to get them here or for me to strip them out of a wrecked car. Thanks for the offer though!
Cheers
Geoff
Hans said:
Hi Hans!
sorry, I forgot to reply. Yes, unfortunately it will probably be a lot less expensive for me to get them here or for me to strip them out of a wrecked car. Thanks for the offer though!
Cheers
Geoff
ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Ha! Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
I've added it to the list.
SydneyRoverP6B said:ewokracing wrote,...
I don't know... :? When I last went to TR Spares here in Sydney and purchased some, I told them what it was for and described them and from that they produced the bushes,..made for the job..
Ron.
Ha!
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I've added it to the list.
ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
next question:
is this the throttle cable and how is it meant to be routed? is there a bracket that is meant to hold it in place?
the reason I ask is that it looks like it is breaking at the carburettor
^ focus on the blurry cable bit.
next question:
is this the throttle cable and how is it meant to be routed? is there a bracket that is meant to hold it in place?
the reason I ask is that it looks like it is breaking at the carburettor
^ focus on the blurry cable bit.
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
That's the choke cable, and it shouldn't be behind the loom on the wing, it should just come through next to the brake reservoir somewhere and over the aircleaner.
As for the front tie bar it's possible that the spacer in side the rubbers is missing and allowing them to be over compressed, and also, as it has aircon (IIRC) that's not the standard bracket so it looks as though even with new bushes the length of the rod is going to need realigning.
The air cleaner bolt should just be a short 1/4" UNF
The spill return normally clips to brackets that fit on the inner rocker cover screws.
The bracket you show on that pipe looks like the ones that fit on the forward inlet manifold bolts to hold the carb overflow pipes.
That's the choke cable, and it shouldn't be behind the loom on the wing, it should just come through next to the brake reservoir somewhere and over the aircleaner.
As for the front tie bar it's possible that the spacer in side the rubbers is missing and allowing them to be over compressed, and also, as it has aircon (IIRC) that's not the standard bracket so it looks as though even with new bushes the length of the rod is going to need realigning.
The air cleaner bolt should just be a short 1/4" UNF
The spill return normally clips to brackets that fit on the inner rocker cover screws.
The bracket you show on that pipe looks like the ones that fit on the forward inlet manifold bolts to hold the carb overflow pipes.
josephp6man
New Member
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
hi,
as well as the accelerator bush, i also do the two bushes you will need for the bottom of the air-cleaner. the small pipe from the back of the manifold on factory fitted air-con cars uses this to feed the vacuum tank as the system is air fed to open and close the flaps in the heater box. your like harvey says has air-con, but the pipes from the compressor do not go into the heater box, but bypass it and go by the looks of it straight into the cabin. so not factory but could still need vacuum to open and close the flaps. ( do they work, if so blank it off, if not, then you need to find a small pipe to connect it to )
ian
hi,
as well as the accelerator bush, i also do the two bushes you will need for the bottom of the air-cleaner. the small pipe from the back of the manifold on factory fitted air-con cars uses this to feed the vacuum tank as the system is air fed to open and close the flaps in the heater box. your like harvey says has air-con, but the pipes from the compressor do not go into the heater box, but bypass it and go by the looks of it straight into the cabin. so not factory but could still need vacuum to open and close the flaps. ( do they work, if so blank it off, if not, then you need to find a small pipe to connect it to )
ian
ewokracing
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Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Harvey - cheers, now I sort of understand.
Ian - yep. I can't really see anywhere obvious for the line to be connected to, the air con unit in my car has been played around with I think to fit the updated compressor with the non-cfc gas. If I can't find a fitting that it has to be connected to, do I just block off that vacuum fitting on the manifold?
(the bonnet badge looks great by the way, I referred another Aussie to you as well).
I have to let my credit card recover and I'll be ordering more.
Harvey - cheers, now I sort of understand.
Ian - yep. I can't really see anywhere obvious for the line to be connected to, the air con unit in my car has been played around with I think to fit the updated compressor with the non-cfc gas. If I can't find a fitting that it has to be connected to, do I just block off that vacuum fitting on the manifold?
(the bonnet badge looks great by the way, I referred another Aussie to you as well).
I have to let my credit card recover and I'll be ordering more.
ewokracing
Active Member
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
Does anyone have a nice clear shot of this?
And this as well?
If someone has some nice clear shots of what the engine bay lines should look like, I would appreciate it!
harveyp6 said:
Does anyone have a nice clear shot of this?
harveyp6 said:
And this as well?
If someone has some nice clear shots of what the engine bay lines should look like, I would appreciate it!
Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B
ewokracing write,...
Hello Geoff,
In the photos of my engine, you can see the choke cable location. From there is just drops down over the back of the engine before passing through the rubber grommet that locates it within the fire wall.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4934
Seeing that your spill return is on the opposite carburettor, the normal metal bracket that would locate it is I doubt not applicable. As the fuel lines run on the o/s beneath the car, the spill return is going to run across the back of the engine at some point, so the locating point should ensure minimal friction is experienced by the tube.
Ron.
ewokracing write,...
This being a reference to the choke cable.
Hello Geoff,
In the photos of my engine, you can see the choke cable location. From there is just drops down over the back of the engine before passing through the rubber grommet that locates it within the fire wall.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4934
Seeing that your spill return is on the opposite carburettor, the normal metal bracket that would locate it is I doubt not applicable. As the fuel lines run on the o/s beneath the car, the spill return is going to run across the back of the engine at some point, so the locating point should ensure minimal friction is experienced by the tube.
Ron.