The inheiritance. 1976 P6b

[ewokracing]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

thanks Ron

With the choke cable, I'll undo it off the carb and re-route it while I have the air filter assembly off. Hopefully the sheath on the cable hasn't worn though and I won't have to replace it.

With this:

I've still got no idea at all where it goes. It's got the square end, so that rules out the possibility that it was held in place by a rocker screw as the end would have to be rounded to fit. I've run out of ideas. Al, what does your car look like?

I have also just dummy fitting up a Ryco Z14 fuel filter. I dremel cut the screw fittings off the fuel line and used 8mm (5/16ths?) fuel line hose and some clips. Looks ok, needs a bit of perfecting and I have to grab another filter as I was using the old breather filter as my tester.

I've also re-routed some of the flame trap hoses and some of the carburetor line hoses. I also have to figure out how the power steering hose fits as it looks extremely close to other parts (like the water pump).

More pictures coming tomorrow.

 

[chrisyork]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Not the cable to the fuel reserve tap by any chance? The tap is low on the bulkhead on the drivers side, you might spend a while until you find it! The give away is a small block with three pipes to it - looks abit like a brake pipe junction.

That said, you are sure it's a cable? The diameter looks a tad big, as if it might be a plastic pipe? Perhaps left over from the previous as built engine?

Chris

 

[harveyp6]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

With this:

I've still got no idea at all where it goes. It's got the square end, so that rules out the possibility that it was held in place by a rocker screw as the end would have to be rounded to fit. I've run out of ideas. Al, what does your car look like?

If you mean where does the bracket go (not where does the hose go), that bracket fits to one of the front inlet manifold bolts and holds the carb overflow pipes. One bracket on each side for each of the pip[es.

 

[josephp6man]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

hi,
if the heater / air-con works, then yes just block the vacuum outlet off. thanks for the comments on the badge and putting someone on to me for another. was it a guy called ian pember. i think that is the only one i have sent recently sent to australia.

ian

 

[tvr_v8]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Al, what does your car look like?

Not entirely convinced i am looking at the correct pipe but on mine it doesn't seem to be clipped to anything, just heads round behind the block clipless.

 

[ewokracing]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Not the cable to the fuel reserve tap by any chance? The tap is low on the bulkhead on the drivers side, you might spend a while until you find it! The give away is a small block with three pipes to it - looks abit like a brake pipe junction.

That said, you are sure it's a cable? The diameter looks a tad big, as if it might be a plastic pipe? Perhaps left over from the previous as built engine?

Chris

Hi Chris

nah, it's the return fuel line from the carbs, I'm just having trouble finding where that bracket/holder should actually go.

If you mean where does the bracket go (not where does the hose go), that bracket fits to one of the front inlet manifold bolts and holds the carb overflow pipes. One bracket on each side for each of the pipes.

Ah yes, that's the milliondollarpound question, as I can't figure out where on the front manifold. My setup is different as the fuel line comes from the tank on the drivers side and exits the engine bay on the left side.

hi,
if the heater / air-con works, then yes just block the vacuum outlet off. thanks for the comments on the badge and putting someone on to me for another. was it a guy called ian pember. i think that is the only one i have sent recently sent to australia.

ian

Excellent, will do. I just want to test the aircon unit but I think it is working. I'm not sure who the other bloke was, he commented on another forum where I put up some photos and I put him on to you.

Al. Bummer. Why did we have to get the unusual setups!

 

[ewokracing]

Fuel + Spark + Air = Bang

I did two things last night

- altered the bracket that holds the engine breather filter and re routed the fuel intake line

- altered the fuel hard lines so that I can use an aftermarket inexpensive fuel filter


This is an after shot, but you'll understand what I mean.

In the photo above, you can see that the bracket holds the filter above the centre join of the filter, whereas from what I've seen in the workshop manual, the factory filter is held below the join. The filter is just a run of the mill Z14, roughly 5-10 dollars from any auto parts place. Perfect for carburettor cars and they last a long time. However, the bracket was a bit loose and I don't like the idea of things flopping about in the engine bay.

I held the bracket on tight to the filter, then marked roughly where the hole needed to be extended.
I then dremeled and filed away an elongated hole for the mounting bolt.

Result, it's not perfect, but it is a lot tighter and it stops the filter from being able to rattle around inside the bracket. I may also cut down some stubby holder foam (aussies will know what I mean)/wetsuit material to line the inside of the bracket. I also bent the hard line a little and the bracket to move the breather down hose and the flexible fuel hose away from each other as they were rubbing.

Quick question, what is the flexible fuel line made out of? It's like a very strong and inflexible plastic. I tried to get it off the metal line (shown below) but it was jammed on tighter than a nun's nasty.


The second item that I looked at was the fuel filter. There was no way that I could justify paying 20 pounds for a fuel filter and I couldn't find out how other people had got around that. I then stumbled on a thread on the UK V8 owners forum where someone mentioned cutting off the metal threaded fittings and using the tube with rubber fuel hose slipped over the top. Excellent! Measuring things up with my eye, I reckoned that I could use another Ryco Z14 or another generic filter that had a barbed end fitting. (There are other cheaper generic filters out there but on some the assembly workmanship is a bit average BUT they come with a clear plastic case - unlike the Ryco - which is good for checking fuel supply to the carb/s).

First off, I removed the hard line that feeds the filter from the tank. A bit of penetrating spray, a bellowed swear word after banging my head for the umpteenth time on the underside of the bonnet and some spanner work and I had it out:

I marked a line, then taped it up with some spray painting masking tape, then hit it with a dremel that I borrowed from work:

Result:

I cleaned up the end with a jewelers file and gave it a blow out.

And the second fitting that needed to come off:

Onto the metal hose that runs from the fuel filter, to the first carb. Now I got the fittings off on the carbs, but bugger me if I couldn't get the flexible hoses off, nor could I get these two fittings seperated. They are on the passenger side (nearside?) carb and join the carb to the return fuel line.

I couldn't get the assembly off the car so I cut the second fitting off while it was still on the car. Yes I was petrified of burning the whole thing to the ground but it came out ok


Going back, I notice that the factory flexible hoses don't have clamps where they join the metal lines? They're just barb push on fittings? This is the flexi line that I was asking about before - I could not get it off.

Moving right along, I used some 8mm fuel line that I had from an old Mazda project and used a dead ryco filter as a test dummy.

You can see from the picture above that it is slightly touching the flame trap, I'm going to shorten the hose a bit at the Carb end, hopefully that will pull it away from the flame trap.

Up close

I will need to shorten the hose a cm or so, but it is on nice and snug. I didn't use a jubilee/screw on hose clamp as I didn't have any new ones around, but I'll get some proper fuel clamps this week.

 

[ewokracing]

Eh?

Some other things caught my eye when I first got the car and one of them was what looks like a power steering fluid line.

It is literally sitting on top of the water pump and crushed up against the distributor. Surely that's not right?

This is the same hose

Over the other side of the engine bay, the same hose disappears under the brake booster

(note the very loose looking bracket holding the hose)

I found this wire snaking down to god knows where as well, I think it's for the aircon unit

The wire I am going to trace back and tidy up a bit, but is that a power steering hose and where should it be going?

 

[SydneyRoverP6B]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Hello Geoff,

The power steering high pressure hose does indeed run across the top of the waterpump. There should be at least 2 brackets which retain it in position across the pump, these being held by the water pump bolts.
As your photo shows, there is another which locates it beneath the alternator bracket. I dare say that the air conditioning bracket that you have is the culprit in squishing the hose in that way. All of the air conditioning brackets that I have seen are made from large chunks of steel, some quite rough and ready. Unless you wish to remodel part or all of the bracket, I don't expect that there is much that you can do. What I can say is that the hose is likely to have been that way since 1976.. :shock:

Ron.

 

[ewokracing]

Fuel.

So I've been using the car a few times, topping it up with electricity at the end of each day. I had forgotten about the loose nut/bolt on the power steering hose though. ooops!

I fitted up the new fresh filters on the weekend:

I also had a bit of a go at re-routing the return fuel line:

there was nowhere on the front of the manifold for that bracket to go and I'm not happy with the fuel line where it is either so I'll have a bit of a think about it. I may cut the flexible hose, and use 8mm fuel line and run it over the rocker cover and then across the top of the bellhousing away from all of the linkages.

For the moment I put the horrible old dusty air filters back in, but some K&N filters are on their way!

I also gave the tyre cover a clean up and popped that in.

My list is slowly getting smaller. Alternator is now with my uncle so hopefully he sorts that out soonish.

 

[keanej]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

I've never seen air filters that bad, leave them out - I presume its been running rich !

 

[josephp6man]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

hi,
the wire going into the back of the clutch on the compressor is the live feed which should go up and into your high pressure cut-out box then from there through a seperate fuse in the engine bay, which then goes to your pull switch on the dashboard for pulling the clutch in and running your compressor. you should also have a wire from the compressor for earthing it.

ian

 

[ewokracing]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

hi,
the wire going into the back of the clutch on the compressor is the live feed which should go up and into your high pressure cut-out box then from there through a seperate fuse in the engine bay, which then goes to your pull switch on the dashboard for pulling the clutch in and running your compressor. you should also have a wire from the compressor for earthing it.

ian

Thanks for that Ian. Actually, that wire snakes it's way into the cabin by the look of it. It's a bit of a mess to be honest. It is definitely on my "to do list". I still haven't tried the aircon yet either.

If I had a couple of big clear photos or another car with the same aircon/fuel line setup as mine it would be great as I could compare the two and undo all of the dodgyness that this poor car seems to have been inflicted with.

I can't wait to drive it once I've put the filters in and had the carbs checked out. Transmission has a bit of a jerk at slow speeds shifting up into second, but if you put the foot down off the line it's actually a lot smoother and picks up speed quite nicely.

 

[ewokracing]

ball is rolling!

howdy folks!

ok, K&N filters have arrived (thanks Ron!). I will be buying the filter spray tomorrow so hopefully I can put them in tomorrow evening.

bad news. wheel bearing or driveline noise is getting worse. I'm going to get the filters in, have the SU's tuned (in between there get the charging problem fixed) and then get the car looked at asap.

Ian - I've got a parts list that I'll be e-mailing you shortly.

 

[SydneyRoverP6B]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Hello Geoff,

K & N filters come factory oiled, so they only need re oiling after cleaning, and that will be in about 50,000 miles (80,000km) time.

Having a stab in the dark I would say the noise is more likely one or more universal joints. The OEM joints were stamped GKN-Spicer and are of the "sealed for life" design. Replacements are also available from GKN-Hardy Spicer and these have grease nipples.

Glad the filters arrived safely..

Ron.

 

[ewokracing]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

I think you might be right Ron. It's a metal on metal sound which is kinda worrying too.

I was looking for old style twin exhaust tips (ie similar to what you would see on a Stag I think) and I came across these:

http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/frame- ... hausts.htm

AVO front dampners/shocks @ around 60 pounds each.
http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/detpro ... PID=892692

anyone got these? Are they as good as say, Koni's? Just that they are a lot cheaper than the Koni option and with our strong aussie dollar at the moment, they're a pretty good price.

 

[ewokracing]

So yeah, K&N

Okidokes. All fired up to fit the K&N filters annnnnnd bummer. Too small around the base. If I take off the dirty old Ryco circle filters, when I try to slip the K&N ones on, the inside diameter is way too small to fit around the opening. Anyone else used the RC-2600 on a p6b?

I thought about slipping them straight over the elbows as well but again, they're too small. I have officially run out of ideas.

In other news, got the alternator back, I'm heading outside to fit that now.

 

[SydneyRoverP6B]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Don't fit...oh gawd... :cry:

I purchased them for my original engine from a seller in the U.K but the engine was removed and I never did anything with them. They are supposed to fit the RV8. Now thinking about it,...they may thus fit the 3.5 Range Rover engines as these have elbows with a smaller diameter, so the canister is also smaller in diameter where the filters fit.

I am sorry Geoff, I sold them to you in good faith thinking that they were right for the job. If you wish to send them back by all means do so and I'll send your money back.

Ron.

 

[ewokracing]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Nah! It's all good Ron, no problems, just the usual aftermarket "one size fits all" thinking. I've seen it from over a decade of working on Mazdas...! To be honest, I should have my bum kicked because I measured up the filter bases inside the air muffler box, but I just took K&N's word for it. Now that I look at my measurements, yeah, they're a tad small.

I might take one of the bases into work and see if they can whip me up some sort of fancypants adaptor.

 

[SydneyRoverP6B]

Re: The inheiritance. 1978 P6B

Hope that they can be adapted,..that would certainly be the ticket.

Thanks Geoff, and my apologies once again.

Ron.