Leather Trim - eBay
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The Rovering Member
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Yes! It does look good. It'd look well in our 2200 but will probably go for quite a bit more than the opening bid which it's already at & it only went on today. Wonder what the rest of the cars like. That green is quite rare isn't it?
Our 2200 has the cloth seats which while not having the cache' of the leather, for regular use is comfortable & practical. No cold shocks in Winter or sticky legs in Summer.....................especially for the Ladies. :0
Our 2200 has the cloth seats which while not having the cache' of the leather, for regular use is comfortable & practical. No cold shocks in Winter or sticky legs in Summer.....................especially for the Ladies. :0
A number of things BB.
Time, money, interest, and the list of bits needed - becoming ridiculously longer and longer.
I ran it at the weekend and it was like a bag of bolts. The gearbox has been contaminated with water causing fault and the wiring aint up to much.
Theres only so much you can do with it.
It spared me on when I sold the Rostyles for £120 on Sunday - WHAT JOY!!
Had it been exempt, a different colour and had a little more about it - that would have been a different story. But to replace the box, overhaul the engine, loom, fuel lines, brakes, carpet, tyres, steering parts etc etc etc. Er, no!
Anyway, if I raise some cash, I can feel another tax exempt gas guzzler coming along!!
Johnny.
Time, money, interest, and the list of bits needed - becoming ridiculously longer and longer.
I ran it at the weekend and it was like a bag of bolts. The gearbox has been contaminated with water causing fault and the wiring aint up to much.
Theres only so much you can do with it.
It spared me on when I sold the Rostyles for £120 on Sunday - WHAT JOY!!
Had it been exempt, a different colour and had a little more about it - that would have been a different story. But to replace the box, overhaul the engine, loom, fuel lines, brakes, carpet, tyres, steering parts etc etc etc. Er, no!
Anyway, if I raise some cash, I can feel another tax exempt gas guzzler coming along!!
Johnny.
Hi Johnny,
All I can say is cunning plan mate, you are going to make a lot more money breaking it than selling it whole and it is providing people with some good parts.
Does anyone know where you would stand legally if you used this base unit to re-build a tax exempt car? My next door neighbour is re-shelling an MGB with a heritage shell and there is no problem there, also not so long ago I looked into using a brand new brazilian chassis to re-build my beetle, again no problem with that. But what about using a non brand new part to re-build on to, I personally can't see the difference as its just another spare part anyone got any thoughts?
Cheers
Al
All I can say is cunning plan mate, you are going to make a lot more money breaking it than selling it whole and it is providing people with some good parts.
Does anyone know where you would stand legally if you used this base unit to re-build a tax exempt car? My next door neighbour is re-shelling an MGB with a heritage shell and there is no problem there, also not so long ago I looked into using a brand new brazilian chassis to re-build my beetle, again no problem with that. But what about using a non brand new part to re-build on to, I personally can't see the difference as its just another spare part anyone got any thoughts?
Cheers
Al
I think it's quite common practice these days to swap identities on classic cars to gain tax exempt status. You obviously lose all the history but who cares about provenance on cars like these.
Cut the chassis plate out weld the new one in and swap the plates over all highly illegal so I hope there are no policemen are listing in....oh s**t!
Cut the chassis plate out weld the new one in and swap the plates over all highly illegal so I hope there are no policemen are listing in....oh s**t!
Hi BB,
What about replacing the entire base unit?, would it not just be a case of informing the DVLA of chassis number change? that way if you had a car with special history it wouldnt be lost. There are lots of jag based kit cars running around with age related plates that only use the front and rear suspension from the original donor car.
Cheers
Al
What about replacing the entire base unit?, would it not just be a case of informing the DVLA of chassis number change? that way if you had a car with special history it wouldnt be lost. There are lots of jag based kit cars running around with age related plates that only use the front and rear suspension from the original donor car.
Cheers
Al
just lifted a V8Auto out of a knackered shell - but need to box - for my V8, have another V8Auto getting Mot'd and and SC auto on its way to get broke... but the bloke that dropped of the first V8, has told me of another 2 .... he said he will put the owner in touch.
I have a V8 with a plate stamped "service" in place of the chassis number - so It has none! .... now I'm going to have a V8 chassis no and log book (tax exempt) and a non tax exempt 2200...
I have a V8 with a plate stamped "service" in place of the chassis number - so It has none! .... now I'm going to have a V8 chassis no and log book (tax exempt) and a non tax exempt 2200...
The DVLA operate on a points system for registration marks and according to this you could change the base unit (or bodyshell) and retain the reg. You get points for axles and engines etc and that explains why kit cars can retain an age related mark. Follow this link for more info:
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/veh_inspec/vi_radically.htm
To be honest I think you could just get away with stamping your own chassis number on a base unit or as replicate a service tag as per the base unit scauto refers to.
I think you can pretty much do what you like with most older cars.
Remember the DVLA now operate a huge computer database holding of the vehicle and driver records in one huge seething mass. This means they basically don't care whats going on anymore in the real world and as long as the record of the car exists in the database and it's taxed (or SORND) they wouldn't know or care if you'd fixed the registration plates on a shopping trolley and were paddling down the street in that instead.
Johnny, sounds like you've made a considered decision. It'd be intresting to see just how much you get back from selling the bit's of the car seperatly compared to selling it whole. With such good bodywork I would have thought it would have made a nice restoration project for someone who didn't want to get to involved in rusty stuff.
Personally; I like that colour!
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/veh_inspec/vi_radically.htm
To be honest I think you could just get away with stamping your own chassis number on a base unit or as replicate a service tag as per the base unit scauto refers to.
I think you can pretty much do what you like with most older cars.
Remember the DVLA now operate a huge computer database holding of the vehicle and driver records in one huge seething mass. This means they basically don't care whats going on anymore in the real world and as long as the record of the car exists in the database and it's taxed (or SORND) they wouldn't know or care if you'd fixed the registration plates on a shopping trolley and were paddling down the street in that instead.
Johnny, sounds like you've made a considered decision. It'd be intresting to see just how much you get back from selling the bit's of the car seperatly compared to selling it whole. With such good bodywork I would have thought it would have made a nice restoration project for someone who didn't want to get to involved in rusty stuff.
Personally; I like that colour!
Paul. Chairman
New Member
Hi all. The colour of the car in Johnny's post ( start of this thread) is avacado.
Just out of interest, with the club we have,
1- Ebony X 6
2 - Buckskin X 5
3 - Bronze X 2
4 - Sandlewood X 3
5 - Blue ???? X 1
???
Where the owner got blue from who knows.
Regards
Paul.
Just out of interest, with the club we have,
1- Ebony X 6
2 - Buckskin X 5
3 - Bronze X 2
4 - Sandlewood X 3
5 - Blue ???? X 1
???
Where the owner got blue from who knows.
Regards
Paul.
Got to add my two peneth!
As far as I am aware - (as a bobby), ??? , if you replace the actual shell, then the car should legally become a Q plate. I appreciate what you are saying BB about the points system, but I believe that was introduced more for the hybrid Land Rovers and that type of thing.
I do stand to be corrected on a thing or too though!
However, cars built and registered before 1984 do not need VIN numbers. I had a 1600E a while ago, completely legit - no numbers on it whatsover!
Johnny.
As far as I am aware - (as a bobby), ??? , if you replace the actual shell, then the car should legally become a Q plate. I appreciate what you are saying BB about the points system, but I believe that was introduced more for the hybrid Land Rovers and that type of thing.
I do stand to be corrected on a thing or too though!
However, cars built and registered before 1984 do not need VIN numbers. I had a 1600E a while ago, completely legit - no numbers on it whatsover!
Johnny.
Hi All,
Now I come to think of it when I built my Kit car to get it MOTd I needed a chassis number (this was before SVA or whatever its called) so I went down to the local blacksmith, borrowed his letter stamps and put something like AJM1234 on it and that was fine for the MOT bloke - I then registered it on a Q plate
Cheers
Al
Now I come to think of it when I built my Kit car to get it MOTd I needed a chassis number (this was before SVA or whatever its called) so I went down to the local blacksmith, borrowed his letter stamps and put something like AJM1234 on it and that was fine for the MOT bloke - I then registered it on a Q plate
Cheers
Al
Your right of course Johnny,
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regrebil.htm
They say if it's a new bodyshell it has to be supported by a reciept from the manufacturer and has to retain two majorcomponents (see list on link under vehicles rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts)
I'm not sure how this would work with a P6 because the only item on the list with an identity is the engine.
I can imagine that it would be possible to transfer an identity legitimately through this system but in my experience of dealing with the DVLA it might be fraught with difficulty.
As you may know I've got a couple of old motorcycles and the paticular model I own has a casting number quite prominently marked on the side of the crankcase. Quite a high percentage of examples of this model have log books where the casting number has been used for the engine no or in some cases the frame no! I wonder how they dealt with that problem when writing the DVLA database considering it's supposed to be identifying fraudulent cases where cars have been cloned??
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regrebil.htm
They say if it's a new bodyshell it has to be supported by a reciept from the manufacturer and has to retain two majorcomponents (see list on link under vehicles rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts)
I'm not sure how this would work with a P6 because the only item on the list with an identity is the engine.
I can imagine that it would be possible to transfer an identity legitimately through this system but in my experience of dealing with the DVLA it might be fraught with difficulty.
As you may know I've got a couple of old motorcycles and the paticular model I own has a casting number quite prominently marked on the side of the crankcase. Quite a high percentage of examples of this model have log books where the casting number has been used for the engine no or in some cases the frame no! I wonder how they dealt with that problem when writing the DVLA database considering it's supposed to be identifying fraudulent cases where cars have been cloned??
arthuy
Well-Known Member
Was just reading the post about taking a good shell to rebuild a car that is to far gone.
The other way to do it would be to transfer the major components to the good shell and just use it's identity as this would be ok.
I know why peope re-shell cars and it is a good way to have a nice car but they are not the same car they just have the old ID. In the case of the MG's a dead pre 72 can live again But how much does it cost to save £160 road tax?
I would rather have a non tax exempt car that was mint than to "Ring" a car which is why these people are selling tax exempt log books. The car could be stolen and you have no idea where it has come from. Just because it is a classic doesn't make it ok. Johnny what would you get if caught ringing a car?
Colin
The other way to do it would be to transfer the major components to the good shell and just use it's identity as this would be ok.
I know why peope re-shell cars and it is a good way to have a nice car but they are not the same car they just have the old ID. In the case of the MG's a dead pre 72 can live again But how much does it cost to save £160 road tax?
I would rather have a non tax exempt car that was mint than to "Ring" a car which is why these people are selling tax exempt log books. The car could be stolen and you have no idea where it has come from. Just because it is a classic doesn't make it ok. Johnny what would you get if caught ringing a car?
Colin
I think Avocado is a great colour - in fact I was hunting to buy one back last summer as it's pretty rare and looks so smart - I think time has helped. I also feel it's a shame it's being broken especially as it has ( 'had' in two hours time! ) the contrasting black and not the Mango interior I've seen fitted. Judging by those door bottoms it's in miles better condition than my car!
Yes Arthuy I agree £160 saving doesn't seem much after all the expense - desirability and therefore resale can double even, as we've seen. I do feel if the government had let the exemption age roll-on year to year though things would get even more complicated and unscrupulous!
I'll keep watching your eBay auctions for the extra bits this week Johnny. Good luck.
Yes Arthuy I agree £160 saving doesn't seem much after all the expense - desirability and therefore resale can double even, as we've seen. I do feel if the government had let the exemption age roll-on year to year though things would get even more complicated and unscrupulous!
I'll keep watching your eBay auctions for the extra bits this week Johnny. Good luck.
