is it worth getting the Flu Jab?

#21
Evidence?

I recon it's better to stop people getting flu in the first place than taking up valuable hospital beds that could be better used treating more important illnesses and gumming up your local GPs appointments... But that view doesn't fit the conspiracy theories though, does it... I suppose people don't want MMR jabs or other vaccinations either... Gawd help us all.
We don't have Evidence Hobby because the patient passed away from underline causes :oops:
2 People I know passed away from this S%h^t but it helped others to not get the flu :rolleyes:
 
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#22
And how many people were saved by having the jab. A lot more. Same argument for MMR jabs and other similar treatments. There will always be a small number who can be affected but they are far outweighed by the majority who benefit, no consolation to those who are affected, but also a dangerous argument to use for not having them, as proved by recent increases in some dangerous diseases which having being nearly wiped out are now on the increase due to people being frightened off having preventative medicine such as MMR and Flu jabs.

Something we won't agree on I think.
 
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quattro

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#23
I spent 17 years of my life trying to persuade the NHS that I hade angina after a heart attack at the age of 34. When I finally talked them into it, they gave me some drugs which made a big difference, it made the angina considerably worse. I couldn't walk upstairs without stopping half way. I couldn't get into a car without getting chest pains. They told me there was no way that the drugs could possibly make it worse, it was impossible and therefore just a coincidence and would have gotten worse anyway.

I asked what the drug did and was told that it just opened up the arteries like the GTN spray did, but permanently. I then asked, if there was a small piece of plaque on the artery wall, and this drug opened it up, could it not dislodge the plaque and allow it to travel down towards the heart. They told me that it couldn't possibly happen.

They then gave me an angiogram which showed three restrictions on one artery, two on another and the one on the front (Circumflex) was blocked. You cannot liive long with a blocked circumflex, and the angina got seriously worse within an hour of taking the first pill.

I'll take my own opinion on this, and try not to take any of their drugs, if I can possibly get away with it. The Doctors around here, if you can get to see one, are too quick just to push drugs on you to get you out of the door.

BTW, they told me that I needed an emergency operation, then put me on a five week list to have an electrocardiagram, and was told that it would take two to three weeks to get the results back, and then I would go onto a three month waiting list for a triple heart bypass. Five months for an emergency operation.

I had to borrow the money and go private. After the surgery, the surgeon told me that my heart was faltering when he opened me up, and that there was no way that I would have lasted more than a month, and he actually doubted that I would have lasted the rest of the day. This was three weeks into the five month waiting list.

So, you'll have to excuse me if I don't have a lot of faith in the NHS or their drugs.
 
#24
To be fair, though, this is about preventative treatment, not pushing drugs on people, something the NHS used to do well until so-called experts on the internet got involved spreading false information. The two are very different. Trouble is everyone is an expert due to their online diagnosis so when the Doctors don't want to give anything out they are accused of not doing their job and the same when they do the opposite. My wife is seriously ill with several problems which means that she is registered severely disabled so we know all about how the NHS works having had to experience it for the past 15 years. There are good and bad, as there are in any walk of life, but I'd still prefer what we have than many other country's alternatives, even with it's shortcomings.

With SWMBO's issues which involve us having to use the NHS more than most people I am all for vaccines that will reduce usage of the Service for the majority of people giving us a chance of getting to see someone when we need to, which is mainly when things go seriously wrong which isn't uncommon. So I also have strong views on people who push propaganda that such jabs are dangerous when for most of us they are not which leads to people not getting them done and then clogging up the NHS unnecessarily when they then come down with something that could have been avoided.
 
#25
One year I forgot to have the flu jab and caught it with a vengeance, very ill for 3 weeks, coughed for 3 weeks, lost 5 kg.
Now have it every year, free as a pensioner....I get a text from doctors reminding me ;)
so recommend everyone to have it.....everyone, if you dont, your drive in your P6B could be your last...o_O
Peter
 
#26
I spent 17 years of my life trying to persuade the NHS that I hade angina after a heart attack at the age of 34. When I finally talked them into it, they gave me some drugs which made a big difference, it made the angina considerably worse. I couldn't walk upstairs without stopping half way. I couldn't get into a car without getting chest pains. They told me there was no way that the drugs could possibly make it worse, it was impossible and therefore just a coincidence and would have gotten worse anyway.

I asked what the drug did and was told that it just opened up the arteries like the GTN spray did, but permanently. I then asked, if there was a small piece of plaque on the artery wall, and this drug opened it up, could it not dislodge the plaque and allow it to travel down towards the heart. They told me that it couldn't possibly happen.

They then gave me an angiogram which showed three restrictions on one artery, two on another and the one on the front (Circumflex) was blocked. You cannot liive long with a blocked circumflex, and the angina got seriously worse within an hour of taking the first pill.

I'll take my own opinion on this, and try not to take any of their drugs, if I can possibly get away with it. The Doctors around here, if you can get to see one, are too quick just to push drugs on you to get you out of the door.

BTW, they told me that I needed an emergency operation, then put me on a five week list to have an electrocardiagram, and was told that it would take two to three weeks to get the results back, and then I would go onto a three month waiting list for a triple heart bypass. Five months for an emergency operation.

I had to borrow the money and go private. After the surgery, the surgeon told me that my heart was faltering when he opened me up, and that there was no way that I would have lasted more than a month, and he actually doubted that I would have lasted the rest of the day. This was three weeks into the five month waiting list.

So, you'll have to excuse me if I don't have a lot of faith in the NHS or their drugs.
As a fellow P6 owner I just want to say your story stood out to me and wow you have been through the mill,
You made the correct decision at the time and your one lucky P6 Owner
 
#27
To be fair, though, this is about preventative treatment, not pushing drugs on people, something the NHS used to do well until so-called experts on the internet got involved spreading false information. The two are very different. Trouble is everyone is an expert due to their online diagnosis so when the Doctors don't want to give anything out they are accused of not doing their job and the same when they do the opposite. My wife is seriously ill with several problems which means that she is registered severely disabled so we know all about how the NHS works having had to experience it for the past 15 years. There are good and bad, as there are in any walk of life, but I'd still prefer what we have than many other country's alternatives, even with it's shortcomings.

With SWMBO's issues which involve us having to use the NHS more than most people I am all for vaccines that will reduce usage of the Service for the majority of people giving us a chance of getting to see someone when we need to, which is mainly when things go seriously wrong which isn't uncommon. So I also have strong views on people who push propaganda that such jabs are dangerous when for most of us they are not which leads to people not getting them done and then clogging up the NHS unnecessarily when they then come down with something that could have been avoided.
Hobby again my heart goes out to you and your loved one we are all P6 bothers and sisters here never is a P6
Brother or Sister alone in this world
 
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