rover100rich
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beautiful car im so jealous, i got a box spanner type plug spanner then used a flap disc on the outside to round it off until it fits in the head , good luck,rich
P5B - His Lordship
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The Rovering Member
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Can you not use the socket in the car's toolkit? I do.
I noticed that it was on the cover of 'Take Five' when it appeared through the letterbox yesterday, and I thoroughly enjoyed the article with regard to your ownership experience. Looks excellent in the photos, as always, and I hope that it provides you with many years of enjoyable motoring, now that you've completed the welding. Can't say it ever overheated with me, but then again, I can't think of any occasions where I used it in anything resembling London traffic. Perhaps the addition of an extra radiator core would help? I would fit a Kenlowe fan first though. I seem to recall that it had had one at some point in its life prior to my ownership.
Spinakerr
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Thanks all for your advice and kind words - I have contacted Harvey and hope to rectify my speedcamera-friendly, overly cautious driving shortly.
Frazzle - Yes I was also surprised to see it on Take Five as I hadn't been told! Ah well, next time I'll properly spell check my updates before sending. The car always runs well in motion but as soon as I hit a 30 second wait the temperature gauge experiences the 'red mist'. Will let you know how I get on...
I am posting up a further photo of the car its new home, although as always I notice the fingerprints on the chrome too late. I persevered with various instruments yesterday and so far no leaks or wandering hoses. Ongoing paranoid monitoring to follow; hopefully this is just a 'bedding in' period.
In other news, I neglected to mention I have added a Rover 600 to the fleet - my partner's pared car was written off in June by a truck who failed to leave a note and a work colleague answered my call for a sub £300 car. As I took one some years ago on a cross-Europe rally, I felt at home at the inspection - it is even the same year & colour as my previous one. Following a simple service by myself it turns out to be in exceptional condition. Just goes to show - if you can't get your classic ready and need daily transport, dive into the 90s Rovers and look for unpopular colours. More pics to follow, perhaps on a separate thread, once it it beautified.
My last photo was snapped today - I turn the key one notch and heard a disconcerting grinding from the rear underside of the car, without the engine on. I appears to be a previous electric fuel pump as it is next to the tank/lines and has wires running into it.
Can anyone identify? It sounds as if it is on the way out but hushes up when driving.
Frazzle - Yes I was also surprised to see it on Take Five as I hadn't been told! Ah well, next time I'll properly spell check my updates before sending. The car always runs well in motion but as soon as I hit a 30 second wait the temperature gauge experiences the 'red mist'. Will let you know how I get on...
I am posting up a further photo of the car its new home, although as always I notice the fingerprints on the chrome too late. I persevered with various instruments yesterday and so far no leaks or wandering hoses. Ongoing paranoid monitoring to follow; hopefully this is just a 'bedding in' period.
In other news, I neglected to mention I have added a Rover 600 to the fleet - my partner's pared car was written off in June by a truck who failed to leave a note and a work colleague answered my call for a sub £300 car. As I took one some years ago on a cross-Europe rally, I felt at home at the inspection - it is even the same year & colour as my previous one. Following a simple service by myself it turns out to be in exceptional condition. Just goes to show - if you can't get your classic ready and need daily transport, dive into the 90s Rovers and look for unpopular colours. More pics to follow, perhaps on a separate thread, once it it beautified.
My last photo was snapped today - I turn the key one notch and heard a disconcerting grinding from the rear underside of the car, without the engine on. I appears to be a previous electric fuel pump as it is next to the tank/lines and has wires running into it.
Can anyone identify? It sounds as if it is on the way out but hushes up when driving.
Spinakerr
New Member
Evening all,
Quite a lot of progress recently as I was asked to take some 'vacation' (as my US employer insists on calling it) before the end of the year or lose earnt holiday. Luckily, plenty to do on the P5B:
1) Lucas 162 relay sourced through the P5 club and mounted in the dash took care of the lackidaisical indicators. Easy job as the steering and dash comes apart logically and there was enough space to accommodate the new, chunkier relay & earth lead.
2) At the NEC Classic Show I haggled down four new interior lights which similarly were installed without incident - noticeable brighter now when the doors are opened. Great to see the P5 & P6 stands taking pride of place and with a steady influx of visitors.
The years of dirt built up on the headlining is clearly visible here - does anybody have a recommended product for removing marks on old, brittle vinyl? There are also a number of watermarks around the Webasto which I am keen to dispel.
3) The came a trickier task - overhaul of the ignition system. After gently prising the Lumenition components the decrepit vacuum advance was removed and sent to H&H Ignition for a refurb:
Word got out that I needed a set of good quality HT leads and a friend dug out used Magnecors for a Rover V8; a great fit and improves the underbonnet looks. After much faffing to locate a socket that would fit in the spark plug recesses I replaced all eight with a smear of copper grease and a good clean around the area. It's clear there has been oil fouling in the past but the rockers are not leaking - perhaps this is historical dirt but I'll monitor it over the next few trips.
The rotor was also replaced & the cap contacts cleaned.
After all this I realised the car had not actually been started in over a month - however, as before His Lordship fired up without incident. I ordered a Xenon timing gun but the ignition does not seem too badly off at present.
4) The original fuel pump was starting the leak badly so I decided to have a Red Top Facet and new fuel lines installed, including an inertia cut-off for safety. This was carried out by a professional and I I now feel much safer behind the wheel.
So what next? The speedo is still lifeless but my garage is too small to get a proper jack in properly; hopefully I can borrow a full lift shortly to check the angle drive, cable and check in with Harvey. The tracking needs an expert as a number of local places won't touch a P5 - it seems to be on the mechanics' black list. Then, continuing my theme of mechanical safety reviews I will review the braking system, which as present has pedal travel and general disinterest in slowing the car down. Then it will be onto the carbs for a rebuild.
Can anyone identify the cause of the damage to the NS carb here? Strange to see such pitting:
Right, back to the workshop manual for how to set the timing...
Quite a lot of progress recently as I was asked to take some 'vacation' (as my US employer insists on calling it) before the end of the year or lose earnt holiday. Luckily, plenty to do on the P5B:
1) Lucas 162 relay sourced through the P5 club and mounted in the dash took care of the lackidaisical indicators. Easy job as the steering and dash comes apart logically and there was enough space to accommodate the new, chunkier relay & earth lead.
2) At the NEC Classic Show I haggled down four new interior lights which similarly were installed without incident - noticeable brighter now when the doors are opened. Great to see the P5 & P6 stands taking pride of place and with a steady influx of visitors.
The years of dirt built up on the headlining is clearly visible here - does anybody have a recommended product for removing marks on old, brittle vinyl? There are also a number of watermarks around the Webasto which I am keen to dispel.
3) The came a trickier task - overhaul of the ignition system. After gently prising the Lumenition components the decrepit vacuum advance was removed and sent to H&H Ignition for a refurb:
Word got out that I needed a set of good quality HT leads and a friend dug out used Magnecors for a Rover V8; a great fit and improves the underbonnet looks. After much faffing to locate a socket that would fit in the spark plug recesses I replaced all eight with a smear of copper grease and a good clean around the area. It's clear there has been oil fouling in the past but the rockers are not leaking - perhaps this is historical dirt but I'll monitor it over the next few trips.
The rotor was also replaced & the cap contacts cleaned.
After all this I realised the car had not actually been started in over a month - however, as before His Lordship fired up without incident. I ordered a Xenon timing gun but the ignition does not seem too badly off at present.
4) The original fuel pump was starting the leak badly so I decided to have a Red Top Facet and new fuel lines installed, including an inertia cut-off for safety. This was carried out by a professional and I I now feel much safer behind the wheel.
So what next? The speedo is still lifeless but my garage is too small to get a proper jack in properly; hopefully I can borrow a full lift shortly to check the angle drive, cable and check in with Harvey. The tracking needs an expert as a number of local places won't touch a P5 - it seems to be on the mechanics' black list. Then, continuing my theme of mechanical safety reviews I will review the braking system, which as present has pedal travel and general disinterest in slowing the car down. Then it will be onto the carbs for a rebuild.
Can anyone identify the cause of the damage to the NS carb here? Strange to see such pitting:
Right, back to the workshop manual for how to set the timing...
Spinakerr said:Can anyone identify the cause of the damage to the NS carb here? Strange to see such pitting:
Right, back to the workshop manual for how to set the timing...
That is strange, I could only think it's been left exposed to the elements at some time. And that's the O/S carb BTW....
Spinakerr
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Evening all,
A little over two months since my last update and I had hoped to be posting pictures of His Lordship out and about in the snow; alas I have been working through both electrical and fueling issues since then.
Firstly, the new Facet Red Top fuel pump was behaving erratically, a fault traced to the inertia safety feature I requested. After much contact cleaning and wire tracing, this has now been bypassed and the pump is running smoothly. However, at starting the car ran unevenly, cutting out when the accelerator was prodded or the gearbox put into 'D':
After pulling the HT leads I diagnosed a weak spark, traced to degraded wiring at the ballast resistor and coil. This were renewed in short order:
Finally, I thought I would be out and about in the snow two weeks ago, but of course the aged engine fuel filter promptly began leaking. This was the only section of the fuel system not to be renewed in December and so it must have felt slighted. I have now replaced this with hosing and secure clips of the same type used in the rest of the system:
With some trepidation I charged the battery and double checked my work... would I be mobile once again? It was now dark and snow had begun falling; would His Lordship be at all interested in a frozen flight through the bowels of Wimbledon?
Of course he would - the muffled roar of an imperious V8 once again cut through icy South London, if only for a few minutes at low speeds.
So the work program can continue - hopefully the tired SUs will shortly be rekindled by a learned hand and work on the braking system & bodywork has been booked in before the April shows start.
A little over two months since my last update and I had hoped to be posting pictures of His Lordship out and about in the snow; alas I have been working through both electrical and fueling issues since then.
Firstly, the new Facet Red Top fuel pump was behaving erratically, a fault traced to the inertia safety feature I requested. After much contact cleaning and wire tracing, this has now been bypassed and the pump is running smoothly. However, at starting the car ran unevenly, cutting out when the accelerator was prodded or the gearbox put into 'D':
After pulling the HT leads I diagnosed a weak spark, traced to degraded wiring at the ballast resistor and coil. This were renewed in short order:
Finally, I thought I would be out and about in the snow two weeks ago, but of course the aged engine fuel filter promptly began leaking. This was the only section of the fuel system not to be renewed in December and so it must have felt slighted. I have now replaced this with hosing and secure clips of the same type used in the rest of the system:
With some trepidation I charged the battery and double checked my work... would I be mobile once again? It was now dark and snow had begun falling; would His Lordship be at all interested in a frozen flight through the bowels of Wimbledon?
Of course he would - the muffled roar of an imperious V8 once again cut through icy South London, if only for a few minutes at low speeds.
So the work program can continue - hopefully the tired SUs will shortly be rekindled by a learned hand and work on the braking system & bodywork has been booked in before the April shows start.
Spinakerr said:
I had the very same problem when I was running SUs for a while. Not too much of a problem when running a low pressure fuel pump, but still a bit of a worry if one is unable to turn off the ignition in the event of an accident. IIRC, I seem to remember someone using a relay of some sort to trip the pump in and out?
Perhaps you could revert back to the lift pump as a main, and the electric pump as a secondary?
Spinakerr
New Member
Dave - I couldn't resist, but sadly it was too dark for a picture. Luckily cars from 1972 have no red frost symbols or ABS/traction lights to clutter an otherwise pleasant motoring experience. Hopefully next Sunday I will make it to Richmond park to greet the deer, if the slightly wonky SU setup is feeling gracious.
LeeEFi - The pump that was removed was not in a good state - I spoke to a lot of club members who had various pumps retro-fitted and finally settled on the Facet after examining several successful long term installations. Hopefully an inertia safety can be reconnected at some point - does anybody have a suggestion?
LeeEFi - The pump that was removed was not in a good state - I spoke to a lot of club members who had various pumps retro-fitted and finally settled on the Facet after examining several successful long term installations. Hopefully an inertia safety can be reconnected at some point - does anybody have a suggestion?
Spinakerr
New Member
All,
Typical Rovering this winter had amounted to opening the garage and getting the engine running smoothly, at least until my fingers verged on frostbite:
However with Spring occasionally mentioned in hushed whispers it was time to get the P5B fully roadworthy. His Lordship was packed off to well-known forum member for a healthcheck. The prognosis? Well I'll be on bread & water for the next few months but I should have a positive update in the coming weeks...
Typical Rovering this winter had amounted to opening the garage and getting the engine running smoothly, at least until my fingers verged on frostbite:
However with Spring occasionally mentioned in hushed whispers it was time to get the P5B fully roadworthy. His Lordship was packed off to well-known forum member for a healthcheck. The prognosis? Well I'll be on bread & water for the next few months but I should have a positive update in the coming weeks...
The Rovering Member
Well-Known Member
DaveHerns said:
Why?