Custom Anti Roll Bar- Cheap opportunity!

Coilsprings have replied again:
"You have been busy, Jim ! I"m afraid £90.00 each +vat is the best I can do.As these are hand -made there are no more economies of scale to be had.
I would need your confirmation that the first sample produced is totally acceptable to you, prior to production of a batch.The quoted delivered price is only to 1 address. Finally, the only bar available is 735A51. Sil-chrome is not a commercially available option."

So there is a slight snag with delivery, I don't understand how it could make much difference to them to send to different UK addresses though?
We'll need to factor in forwarding to everyone's addresses now, albeit each bar would now be £108 delivered inc VAT.
Any ideas about affordable couriers anyone?
Geoff have you used couriers to Australia before?

As my car is not in a position to road test currently, I could only trial fit it and confirm the quality of the sample. Would everyone prefer to elect someone that is also in a position to road test it?

Jim
 
Jim, it will be far easier and cheaper for them to box up 10 bars and send them to one address than to package individually and send to 10 addresses - usually 10 times the cost. You could get a rough idea of the price to forward the bars on to the rest of us by getting a quote from an online freight forwarding company like Parcels Please or Transglobal Express - just type in the weight and package dimensions for a quote, probably around £15 I'd say.

I'll be able to test drive a sample in a couple of weeks if needed once I've moved house.
 
Thanks Paul, I did just get a few UK quotes pick up and deliver. Generally under £10 inc VAT each so that's not a big deal.
I did one quote with interparcel for all 8 UK packages at once and the cost goes down to more like £6 each for 2 day delivery..Which puts the total each back to £114 again :)
I did one quote for twice the weight to Australia with transglobalexpress and the cheapest was with UPS at £55
Jim
 
this is very tempting. Problem for me would be fitting the thing. I dont really know my way around this area of the car at all. I do have a steering box and idler to recon ready to put on though...

Rich
 
Rich, as far as I know it's just wings off, undo bolts and slide out standard bar/slide in new bar and fasten.
Providing the bolts aren't too bad, it's meant to be a quick and easy job I believe
Jim
 
Another reply regarding delivery
"JIM, for mainland UK delivery of individual bars, the additional charge will be £7.00 +vat, so I have no problem with you arranging collection from our premises.To start the process for 1 bar I will need £150+vat-and a sample would be very helpful."
This is the first time he has mentioned me sending a sample, I guess he means the standard bar.
Since it's such a simple design I think it's a little pointless and an extra expense sending the standard bar, what does everyone else think?
I'll front the money to get the sample and we can take it from there...
Jim
 
Hi,

I’d say it would be a mistake to send him a standard bar as a sample as the 25mm bar ABR NEEDS to be machined to give clearance around the inner mount. We choose to cut the Hex at an offset and leave as much as possible of the bar the full 25mm Dia, I’m not sure what others have done, they may have machined the Hex further along the bar and kept it concentric (the Classespares one looks like this, maybe). The machining is straight forward enough but it is NOT the simple task of machining a concentric 19mm Hex in the end of a bar. It also took us 2 goes to get the radiusing right (our mistake), our first bar suffered a fatigue failure very quickly, our second one is in a couple of years now and well tested.

Picture attached is of version 1 bar, Gav.s blog has some pics of version 2.

Getting these things right is why the off the shelf bar is more expense than the material alone.

Tim
 

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The Classeparts ARB is not machined with an abrupt 'step' like Kman1600's repurposed Peugeut bar, it looks more like a blade-sharpened pencil, if you can visualise what I'm trying to describe. I'll snap some pics and take some measurements for you in the next couple of days... For what it's worth, I'm very happy with the aforementioned Classeparts item, makes a huge difference, and mine hasn't started rusting yet although I've left the machined sections unpainted, thus far.
Edited to make clear my initial remark isn't a value judgement, and I'm not an engineer, just so as to be clear I'm not inferring that the expensive Classeparts item is in any way superior or that Kman1600's ingenious solution is inferior.
 
Hi,

We completely accept that the version 1 of our bar was wrong with regard the step. The version 2, as shown on the blog, has the right rads and has proven to be very durable :)

Tim
 
Tim forgive my ignorance but when you mention radiusing the hexagonal bar do you mean "rounding" the corners to original spec?
Would this not be a good reason to send the standard bar?
Does anyone have the ability to measure the standard radius?
Is this purely a fitment issue into the clamps?
It has already been established that we're going for the Classeparts style non-offset bar with longer hex sections to clear suspension mounts.
Jim
 
ewokracing said:
I have a delivery address in Wales. :)
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Ok good to know, I just wanted to make sure that was convenient enough for you.

Rich I removed mine today. It took a total of 15 mins including getting the wing off and firstly trying to undo bolts clockwise for a minute or two :LOL: , very straightforward job

I'm still unsure about the radiusing, can anyone enlighten me?

Jim
 
Hi, Radiusing in this context means where the hex is cut into the round bar there should not be
a sharp internal corner. Rather there should be a curve. With things in stress if it's going to break
it will be from a corner.

Colin
 
Right that finally makes sense, thanks Colin!
If MrTask or Quattro could post a close up of the transition from hex to round section on the classeparts item it would be highly useful :D
Jim
 
The machine shop you employ to do it will know that it must be radiused, very basic engineering practice for transition parts under stress, though I would be inclined to to ask them if they could get a long smooth transition from Hex to Bar to minimize right angles and stress risers.
If freight were reasonable I would order 1 and were there others here in NZ wanting one I am sure that a few could be tacked onto the order. A little surprised that a few of likely NZ suspects haven't popped their heads up.
I only just noticed this thread as have had the last week or 2 shifting house.

Graeme
 
ghce said:
The machine shop you employ to do it will know that it must be radiused, very basic engineering practice for transition parts under stress, though I would be inclined to to ask them if they could get a long smooth transition from Hex to Bar to minimize right angles and stress risers.
If freight were reasonable I would order 1 and were there others here in NZ wanting one I am sure that a few could be tacked onto the order. A little surprised that a few of likely NZ suspects haven't popped their heads up.
I only just noticed this thread as have had the last week or 2 shifting house.

Graeme
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I'll put myself up for one Graeme to help with the freight . Al -KiwiRover will no doubt want one for each of his rovers , so theres a container load already !!!
 
Righty ho, digital camera stowed in cargo pants pocket, I'm off to the garage where I'll try and remember to take measurements and photos for y'all. Sun addles my little brain and I forget what I'm doing sometimes, but I really will endeavour to be helpful today, ok!
 
So there could be another 4 potentially, all to New Zealand..that's if KiwiRover does want a couple?
Anyone in contact with him?
That would then make the order up to 15 I believe.
Mr Task did you manage any photos?
I'll email coilsprings today about the radiusing, then hopefully we can get the process started for the first sample bar :D
Jim
 
Here are some snaps of the machined ends of the bar showing the radiusing(?), and what look like a pair of urethane inner bushes that aren't up to the job!
 

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