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quattro said:
It wasn't a five minute argument, it was a four year long battle trying to get justice from a Police force which just ignored all of the evidence and told lie after lie ater lie.

This is the sort of thing that has destroyed the respect of the general public for our police force.

Richard
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I wasn't trying to belittle your experience. As I said - I knew nothing of it. Everyone has the right to have opinions based on their own experiences. I can see that you quite deserve to have yours based on your shocking treatment.

I would disagree on your last point though. ie that the general public have no respect. On what basis do you say that? From your own experience or what's on the "news"? You must surely realise that the media are only interested in our failures.
Look at the NHS. When was the last time you heard of a successful recovery against the odds thanks to some exemplary care? I can't remember one. Probably because if it is reported it will be a by-line or an 'and finally' 30 second report. Someone makes a mistake or doesn't get the treatment they should have had - it's all over the news. It's the same story for schools, GP's, social services etc. If you believe the mass media they're all falling to pieces and hopelessly inept. I wonder how they manage to keep running though. Could it possibly be that the thousands of interactions that occur everyday are actually acceptable to the vast majority?
The media have a lot to answer for. They constantly undermine support for most of the public services which actually makes it harder for those organisations to work - good news for them - more stories to sell I suppose.
Case in point. MOAT shoots 3 others then himself in the head. This was and will continue to be dissected in the desperate hope in discovering some other shocking failure to report on. Meanwhile 3 more brave lads get shot dead in Afghan and this gets 45 seconds tagged on the end of the 30 minute MOAT report. They make me sick.
I can assure you that respect from the general public has not been destroyed, at least from what I actually experience everyday (and not what I read) working at the coal face in a large inner city area and across probably the widest across section of society possible in one patch.
 
TP,
I quite probably could have used a less inflammatory choice of words, and I apologise to you for the hurt or anger it has generated. I am not even from the UK so my comment was a rant-ette by association and remote control.

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You mentioned your colleague getting spat at twice by a drunk driver and that illustrates my point. The forces in most first world countries have become totally hamstrung by the same niceties we demand for ourselves from society. Spitting at someone is an assault on their person, especially with things like Tuberculosis and other airborne diseases and should be treated as such with nice shiney bangles and a hose down from a fire hydrant before a night in the cells to ruminate before "please explaining" to the beak the next day.

Criminals should not have a fraction of what they refer to as rights in my opinion, and certainly no more than 3 square meals a day, a bed to sleep on and medical care for when they hurt themselves on the chain gang.

Call me barbaric if you wish, but prison should be a deterrent in and of itself, not a place where you can be better fed and housed than you were on the streets.
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Once again, my apologies for having offended you. You and your colleagues have my respect for what you do and my sympathies for what you can't do.
 
No offence taken and I only took the bait because of all the bollocks in the press lately. We are frowned upon if we voice our own opinions so it doesn't happen much.
Regarding the guy who spat in my colleagues face - he was duly re-arrested for assault and would have been charged with the extra offence. He had his own problems and I felt a certain amount of sympathy for him although he seemed to be using his bad news as a get out of jail free card which was never going to work. Had he been just been drunk and lairy without the driving bit then we would have been far more lenient.
I guess I was just trying to emphasize that we aren't all bloody idiots as some would have you believe :D
 
quattro said:
Sorry that you feel this way TP, but I used to have a lot of respect for the Police. No more though.

Sparky was damaged and my house was also damaged to the sum of around £3,000 on the 10th Sept 2009. The Police took fingerprints from the spray tin and got a DNA sample from a garden implement from next door found near their broken window - next door was broken into as well. I chased Barnsley Police about progress every couple of weeks but was finally told on 17th November that the fingerprints and DNA could not be matched.

However, this was not what destroyed my respect for the Police.

A few years ago I suffered an attack from a possibly drug crazed lunatic who forced me off the road in Derby. My two children were in the car at the time. The Police lost the file, sent it to the wrong station, lost it again and then assured me that they were sorting it, even though no-one had been assigned to the case. I eventually put it a formal complaint and was phoned be a Chief Inspector who talked down to me like I was a piece of dirt. After 20 minutes on the phone he came round to my way of thinking and actually looked into the case. He found that no-one was looking into it, and got it moving gain. The file was sent to Sheffield Police and the assailant was questioned. He admitted forcing me off the road but as it was more than six months the CPS refused to prosecute, as he could only be prosecuted for a driving offence.

At the same time I was wrongly accused of speeding by the Wiltshire Speed Scameraship. I spent 18 months fighting the case until I was eventually aquitted. The Police told lies in court but covered it up when I was again forced to make a complaint. I wrote to the Chief Constable with an explanation of the cover up and evidence showing that the Professional Standards Department were telling lies and covering up a serious crime committed by a civilian police employee. He passed it to the Professional Standards Department to look into. :shock: The whole thing basically stank of cover up and lie after lie.

I was dazed throughout this whole ordeal as I couldn’t quite believe the blatancy on the cover up and the lengths they would go to just to get a conviction against an innocent person.

Now I have lost all respect for what I used to believe to be the best police force on the planet, and I haven’t even started on PC Mark Milton, PC Steven Akrill, PC Cristopher Walker, and the assailant of Ian Tomlinson, all of whom seem to be intent on demonstrating without doubt that there is one law for us and one law for them, and it seems to get worse by the minute.

Rant over.

Richard
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Unfortunately, I couldn't agree more.

While my Rover was in the garage for its recent bodywork (over two months), this garage which I had especially rented for this work being carried out was broken into, and all my tools and equipment stolen. The entire project was on the verge of being forced to be abandoned and only thanks to a few friends, who immediately lent me some of their equipment, work could continue.

It turns out, that in the same night, three car garages had been raided, all along one 10 mile stretch of road. Mine was the only non commercially used workshop of the three.

Being a foreigner living in England, I do not want to critizise my host country, or offend any policeman on this forum, but I have to say that I am not impressed by the quality of the policework applied to my case. I cannot help but having the impression, that the police is lightyears more effective when it comes to fining the good people for the most petty of offenses.

Needless to say, that the police is for whatever reason not able to apprehend this bunch of serial burglars, which is the most basic of tasks for any police force in a country which considers itself civilized. These and all the others constantly reported about in the local papers and by friends and neighbors. It is also consistent, that all crime victims I know say the same thing: the police is doing bugger off to solve these crimes.
 
Oh bugger. I wonder when we'd be rumbled. Sheesh - well it was a good scam whilst it lasted. Might try brain surgery next or rocket science - how hard can it be?
 
It's interesting for me to read this thread and realize that things are much the same here as on the other side of the pond. I know there are good, well meaning police officers out there, and have met a few. But in my town the police have gone to the other extreme with teenagers, making them the target of continuous surveillance and jumping them for the slightest offenses. They know that the teens haven't smartened up enough to avoid getting caught, so they are easy meat.The result is that they have turned many into criminals with early, unnecessary jail sentences for minor offenses such as possesion of marihuana. They also know that if they stop a car with four teens in it they will find SOMETHING.
I believe that a lot can be done with a teen to turn them around at the first offense, but that is probably your last chance. In this country there are more jailed for drug offenses than any other crime.
This doesn't excuse the meaningless destruction of property that started this thread, and I would join you in punishing those who carried it out.
 
OrganDoctor said:
It's interesting for me to read this thread and realize that things are much the same here as on the other side of the pond. I know there are good, well meaning police officers out there, and have met a few. But in my town the police have gone to the other extreme with teenagers, making them the target of continuous surveillance and jumping them for the slightest offenses. They know that the teens haven't smartened up enough to avoid getting caught, so they are easy meat.The result is that they have turned many into criminals with early, unnecessary jail sentences for minor offenses such as possesion of marihuana. They also know that if they stop a car with four teens in it they will find SOMETHING.
I believe that a lot can be done with a teen to turn them around at the first offense, but that is probably your last chance. In this country there are more jailed for drug offenses than any other crime.
This doesn't excuse the meaningless destruction of property that started this thread, and I would join you in punishing those who carried it out.
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The problem is pretty widespread in the Western World.
Despite tough talking by many governments on the issue of crime, policies over recent decades have generally supported the rights of criminals, whether making it easier for them to avoid being convicted, or emphasising rehabilitation rather than punishment. This has lead to a very low conviction rate, the proliferation of repeat offenders, and absurdities such as burglars having the right to sue householders if they are injured during burglary.
This emphasis by elites on the rights of criminals is in stark contrast to a public so frustrated with endemic crime that it is overwhelmingly retributive in its attitude to criminals. When the BBC Today programme held a poll of its readers to choose one policy which Labour MP Steven Pound said he would adopt as a private member's bill, the listeners chose the right of homeowners to use any force to defend their properties when invaded by burglars (something I personally completely disapprove of, it should be police matter IMO).
Faced with this political incorrectness, Mr. Pound withdrew his offer, declaring: "'The people have spoken, the bastards!"

Since I live in England (five-and-a-half years now), I have been the victim of the following crimes:

- Portable toolbox nicked when working on my car in front of my house while I popped in to get me a cuppa.

- Front door kicked open in the middle of a below freezing winter night while daugher no. 2 was one week old. The door couldn't be secured properly without calling a locksmith the next day, so it was freezing cold inside.

- Countless incidents of vandalizing my cars, including stabbed tyres. My R4 Van was 'airplaned' and stealing was attempted five times (!) unsuccessfully, but the accumulated damage was so severe in the end that it had to be scrapped.

- Alloy wheels stolen from my Peugeot 405 - they were secured with lock lugs.

- Child seat stolen out of my car when I had forgotten to lock it overnight.

- Constant dumping of rubbish into my front garden.

- repeated unjustified abuse and threatening by groups of juveniles. Thanks god I have zero fear from them, but what happens if I grab one and give him what he deserves?

- Break in, ransack, theft and severe damage to my belongings in my rented workshop.

The latter incident is the ONLY one, where the police at least bothered to respond to my call, showing up two days later asking the most self-explanatory questions, which pretty obviously only serve the purpose that a pre-fab form can be filled and filed. Absolutely nothing has happened since.
 
Junkman said:
The Rovering Member said:
:shock: Good Lord, where do you live?
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Three years in Berkshire and almost three years in Cheadle/Cheshire.
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Well I've been in the UK for eight and a half years, and up until a few weeks ago, haven't been the victim of any crime. Then someone forced my front door open, and went for my car keys. The Police think that they stole to order, as they didn't touch even the laptop bag that was just inside the door.

I know that I have no chance of getting back what is mine, and I'm facing a five figure loss even with the insurance paying up due to what they won't cover and the cost of replacements.

As far as I'm concerned, the Police have done all that they can. I don't see the problem as being the Police, but more the CPS who won't prosecute for risk of offending someone, and the judges who just let everyone go as half of them have Police protection, and the other half own shotguns. Maybe it's time that we went to a more American-like society. Elect or de-elect the judges, and even the senior CPS staff, and give home owners the right to defend their property.
 
Dear me, Chris!

I take it they didn't only take the car keys.... Enough to make anyone a bit grumpy :evil:

Chris
 
Hi all well ive given up ever reporting anything to the police theres better ways of sorting things, the less i have to do with police the better and i would nt and dont bother reporting any crime that happens to me, been there done that waste off time everytime.
regards
marcus
 
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