Retrospective letters of complaint to Rover...

Dear Rover Company
I am delighted with my 1972 3500 Saloon, a car which never fails to put a smile on my face when I see it parked amongst all the ugly moderns. That smile widens to a broad grin when I hear the engine rumble into life. I have driven a great many miles without ever turning on the radio, which would distract from the satisfyingly deep burble coming from the exhaust.
Over all I am a jolly satisfied customer, but none the less I feel compelled to bring to your attention a couple of design issues which I really feel ought to be rectified.
First and foremost is the placement of the horn control in the indicator stalk. How many times have I accidentally 'beeped' when signalling for a turn, or even when reaching for the window winder handle? The horns should only ever be sounded by pushing the centre of the steering wheel!
Who decided to fit fake wood veneer trim to my interior? The same penny-pinching miser who decreed that all facelift P6s would share the bonnet with two extra bulges originally intended to distinguish the V8 cars from their four cylinder brethren? Or who felt American owners deserved front door pockets and a padded centre console, but European buyers must do without? Fire those responsible!
Why were alloy wheels never offered as an option? Perhaps the odd PCD is a factor? I have tried early SD1 alloys and later SD1 Vanden Plas 'Kent' alloys on my car, both look very well indeed. Why weren't Kelsey Hayes 'Magstar' alloy centre/steel rim wheels offered outside the US? They look as if they were designed for the P6! Dunlop alloy centre/steel rim wheels, as seen on the MG B V8 or in a five stud pattern on some Police P6s, should also have been an option.
Who moved the rear reflectors from the outer corners of the bootlid to below the rear lamps, thus ruining the line of the rear wings? Dolt.
Who replaced the early embossed badges with the cheap'n'nasty printed badges? Cretin. Who widened the side strips from the stylish thin early type into the much more common later type? A step backwards, rather than an improvement.
Who decided to paint the outer sill and lower front wing on the facelift models? Body colour as per Series 1 is far superior.
I fear I am starting to rant, so I shall end here.
Thanks for a terrific car, shame about the niggles.
Please return to the fray, restoring the once proud brand name to modern roads with a suitably distinguished successor to my P6, and ignoring the Honda years and all subsequent 'retro'-grilled mistakes. Make something that can compete with the German giants, once more inventing new niches like my V8-powered 'young executive's' car. Make me proud again.
Yours
Al aka MrTask
 
mrtask said:
Dear Rover Company
I am delighted with my 1972 3500 Saloon, a car which never fails to put a smile on my face when I see it parked amongst all the ugly moderns. That smile widens to a broad grin when I hear the engine rumble into life. I have driven a great many miles without ever turning on the radio, which would distract from the satisfyingly deep burble coming from the exhaust.
Over all I am a jolly satisfied customer, but none the less I feel compelled to bring to your attention a couple of design issues which I really feel ought to be rectified.
First and foremost is the placement of the horn control in the indicator stalk. How many times have I accidentally 'beeped' when signalling for a turn, or even when reaching for the window winder handle? The horns should only ever be sounded by pushing the centre of the steering wheel!
Who decided to fit fake wood veneer trim to my interior? The same penny-pinching miser who decreed that all facelift P6s would share the bonnet with two extra bulges originally intended to distinguish the V8 cars from their four cylinder brethren? Or who felt American owners deserved front door pockets and a padded centre console, but European buyers must do without? Fire those responsible!
Why were alloy wheels never offered as an option? Perhaps the odd PCD is a factor? I have tried early SD1 alloys and later SD1 Vanden Plas 'Kent' alloys on my car, both look very well indeed. Why weren't Kelsey Hayes 'Magstar' alloy centre/steel rim wheels offered outside the US? They look as if they were designed for the P6! Dunlop alloy centre/steel rim wheels, as seen on the MG B V8 or in a five stud pattern on some Police P6s, should also have been an option.
Who moved the rear reflectors from the outer corners of the bootlid to below the rear lamps, thus ruining the line of the rear wings? Dolt.
Who replaced the early embossed badges with the cheap'n'nasty printed badges? Cretin. Who widened the side strips from the stylish thin early type into the much more common later type? A step backwards, rather than an improvement.
Who decided to paint the outer sill and lower front wing on the facelift models? Body colour as per Series 1 is far superior.
I fear I am starting to rant, so I shall end here.
Thanks for a terrific car, shame about the niggles.
Please return to the fray, restoring the once proud brand name to modern roads with a suitably distinguished successor to my P6, and ignoring the Honda years and all subsequent 'retro'-grilled mistakes. Make something that can compete with the German giants, once more inventing new niches like my V8-powered 'young executive's' car. Make me proud again.
Yours
Al aka MrTask

In summary, instead of the series 2 (facelift) models, you should have just moved the horn, fitted some real wood and put alloys on the series ones. :D
 
I find the quarterlight opening control a bit ridiculous TBH, not very accessible cos of the steering wheel, and requires about 250 twists to fully open it.. :roll:

Boot/Bonnet catch design dangerous too

Otherwise, great car!
 
mrtask said:
Dear Rover Company
First and foremost is the placement of the horn control in the indicator stalk. How many times have I accidentally 'beeped' when signalling for a turn, or even when reaching for the window winder handle? The horns should only ever be sounded by pushing the centre of the steering wheel!
Who decided to fit fake wood veneer trim to my interior? Yours
Al aka MrTask


Funnily enough, the original stalk layout was one thing that I liked with my P6. It was useful to be able to use both stalks to sound the horn and illuminate the headlamps, purely as a 'warning' of course, simultaneously. Try doing that now with modern set ups. I also had air horns as well, which were rather nice. Modern car electrics scare me off trying to fit those now.

Oh, and as my first one was a very early production car, it did have real wood on the door trims, although for many years in the 70s people wouldn't believe me and insisted they were all fitted with formica type plastic.
 
V8P6B said:
I find the quarterlight opening control a bit ridiculous TBH, not very accessible cos of the steering wheel, and requires about 250 twists to fully open it.. :roll:
Now that is very true! I think Rover could have refined that just a tad...
 
grifterkid said:
V8P6B said:
I find the quarterlight opening control a bit ridiculous TBH, not very accessible cos of the steering wheel, and requires about 250 twists to fully open it.. :roll:
Now that is very true! I think Rover could have refined that just a tad...
Series 1 quarterlight opener is fine :D
 
I was under the impression the quarter light system was so you could leave the car with both these windows slightly ajar on a hot day for ventilation .
Basically to stop prying hands getting through the small gap and opening the door and stealing ya stuff.
Urban myth ?
worked for my brain all these years .
Spread the word !!
Gerald
 
tonys said:
Funnily enough, the original stalk layout was one thing that I liked with my P6. It was useful to be able to use both stalks to sound the horn and illuminate the headlamps, purely as a 'warning' of course, simultaneously.

Agreed, very satisfying.

V8P6B said:
I find the quarterlight opening control a bit ridiculous TBH

But a great quirky feature. :mrgreen:
 
mrtask said:
Please return to the fray, restoring the once proud brand name to modern roads with a suitably distinguished successor to my P6, and ignoring the Honda years and all subsequent 'retro'-grilled mistakes. Make something that can compete with the German giants, once more inventing new niches like my V8-powered 'young executive's' car. Make me proud again.

Now wouldn't that be something else?
Like Alfa Romeo, there is so much brand goodwill in the market place, with many people desperately wanting/waiting for them to produce "the car" that will once again see them willingly open their wallets. (Alfa 4c to the rescue!?)
A return to the best of Rover values and a car that embodies such; with an involving, smile inducing drive would be most welcome. Today's moderns are the perfect candidates for a hefty injection of the erstwhile Solihull dash and flair.
This type of car never goes out of style, and, like the once proud and magnificent Alfa Romeo, will always have a latent but eager customer base salivating in anticipation of such a reality.
 
grifterkid said:
ethelred said:
A fuel injected 3500S with a top quality 5 speed gearbox from the factory would have been a dream.
Yes indeed... Add to that a nice set of alloy wheels, A/C and leccy windows and you'd have had a real dream machine!

Also, whilst we're at it...

"Dear Rover.

I saw a picture of your proposed new sports car in Motor the other day and I am sure it would be a huge success if you put it in to production, I was well and truly blown away by the look of the car and the proposed performance figures. I would most certainly be purchasing one if it was possible and I'm sure I'd not be the only one!

Please make this car a reality, you will not regret it..."


And this is the car in question, the 'Alvis'...

Why do I keep thinking "Corvair"?
 
There is only one answer to the 4-Pot v. V8 debate...

One of each! I alternate which one is in the garage near to home and each time I change them over I think "this one is my favorite". The 4 cylinder TC is a very pure expression of the original executive express. I love it.
The V8 auto is just so relaxed and capable - I love it.

There - problem solved! :LOL:

Simon
 
grifterkid said:
ethelred said:
A fuel injected 3500S with a top quality 5 speed gearbox from the factory would have been a dream.
Yes indeed... Add to that a nice set of alloy wheels, A/C and leccy windows and you'd have had a real dream machine!

The car in question was the 3500EI (European market) / 3500S (lucas injection) (US market). Cancelled in the cataclysm of autumn '71 that saw Rover pull out of the US and cancel the P8 as well. The EI had a ZF 5 speed and a top speed somewhere around the 140 mark. The injection was the worlds first electronically controlled fuel injection, made by a small team in Leamington Spa and bought out by Lucas just before the (scheduled) launch of the car. All subsequent Lucas injection systems were based on it. And yes the EI had full US NADA spec.

Chris
 
grifterkid said:
Add to that a nice set of alloy wheels,
Personally I think very few alloy wheels look better than the originals on a P6. To me they're just fashion accessories that make no sense at all. Why discard perfectly decent steel rims in favour of an expensive soft metal that's a pain to maintain and eventually becomes porous?
grifterkid said:
An added complication and drain on fuel that's useful for a couple of days a year.
grifterkid said:
and leccy windows
Why? Well designed wind-up windows like those on the P6 can be opened and closed far faster than leccy ones. And they can be opened the exact desired amount without endlessly blipping the button. IMO leccy windows are just another pointless complication that the unthinking masses expect on their modern cars. Unless you're into kerb crawling I really don't see the point.
grifterkid said:
and you'd have had a real dream machine!
I already have, but my dreams are modest affairs. :D
 
Willy Eckerslyke said:
grifterkid said:
Add to that a nice set of alloy wheels,
Personally I think very few alloy wheels look better than the originals on a P6. To me they're just fashion accessories that make no sense at all. Why discard perfectly decent steel rims in

I disagree - I think SD1 Vitesse Alloys with their wider profile make a huge difference to the handling of the car as well as looking great.


Oldies day at the test centre! by EthelRedThePetrolHead, on Flickr

I know I am not the only P6 owner who goes for this look but I like the alloys so much that I have bought a set for my 'new' car as well - I'll have a 3500 and a 3500S each with Vitesse alloys.
 
chrisyork said:
Your P6 keeping some exalted company, Ethelred! Isn't that a Gordon-Keeble in the test bay?

Chris

Yes - that Gordon Keeble is keeping exalted company in the presence of my Rover 3500S.
 
I fully agree with Willy Echerslyke.
We don't need electric starters, what's wrong with the reliable stating handle, and what about those troublesome orange lights on the corners, can't beat sticking your hand out of the window.

All these new fangled things, nothing but trouble.
Come to think of not why not a horse? :wink: :wink: :wink:

Jim.
 
Dear Rover, Why on the Series 2, did you allow the only acid taking colour blind stylist on your team to select the colour chart.....?
 
John said:
Dear Rover, Why on the Series 2, did you allow the only acid taking colour blind stylist on your team to select the colour chart.....?

Nothing wrong with the stylist John. It was just the seventies... :mrgreen:

Dear Rover, since you went into the trouble of designing a brand new gearbox for the Rover 2000, i wonder why you did not simply add another cog and get away from all the ancient overdrive equipped competition?

Other than that, i can't help but to blame BL for not letting Rover go ahead with all the exciting new plans after the takeover.
 
Demetris said:
John said:
Dear Rover, Why on the Series 2, did you allow the only acid taking colour blind stylist on your team to select the colour chart.....?

Nothing wrong with the stylist John. It was just the seventies... :mrgreen:

Very true. Remember the wallpapers back then, the shirts, the trousers, the hair.... P6 colours were quite mild in comparison. :)
 
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