Ouch, road tax + £40!!!
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NickDunning
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harveyp6 said:
Several years I think...was £205 a year ago at least.
Still waiting for the word on what's happening with the Historic Tax.
Cheers
Nick
JVY
Active Member
I will be very pleasantly surprised if the Tories/LibDem's re-instate the rolling tax exemption - even though they should as the current situation is a bit unfair. I can only wonder how many low value cars around the 25 year mark are maybe scrapped because the annual road tax costs so much? The volume of cars over 25 years must be so low that it would make negligible difference to national debt.
Also, I think the road tax system is a bit of a joke - being based on emissions of the vehicle it takes no account of the envrironmental true cost of manufacturing that vehicle. e.g. the other day I read an reputible article claiming that latest electric cars are actually dirtier than a small diesel car (because of the CO2 created by the electricity used to charge the thing).
The general theory that I tend towards is that the longer a car is on the road, regardless of how "dirty" it's emissions are, the greener that cars is. So, methinks current road tax system is generally a ploy to flog more new cars. Though, on a plus note, the advantage is that, over a long period period, even the old cars will be a lot greener.
Now I am arguing with myself and deviating. The point is we should have free tax on all cars over 25 years and that, once a car has been manufactured, the greenest thing to do is keep it on the road as long as reasonably possible.
Also, I think the road tax system is a bit of a joke - being based on emissions of the vehicle it takes no account of the envrironmental true cost of manufacturing that vehicle. e.g. the other day I read an reputible article claiming that latest electric cars are actually dirtier than a small diesel car (because of the CO2 created by the electricity used to charge the thing).
The general theory that I tend towards is that the longer a car is on the road, regardless of how "dirty" it's emissions are, the greener that cars is. So, methinks current road tax system is generally a ploy to flog more new cars. Though, on a plus note, the advantage is that, over a long period period, even the old cars will be a lot greener.
Now I am arguing with myself and deviating. The point is we should have free tax on all cars over 25 years and that, once a car has been manufactured, the greenest thing to do is keep it on the road as long as reasonably possible.
@JVY - I fully agree. The system as it stands only sells new cars. There's no thought put into 'can we make older cars greener' for instance. A few aerodynamic mods to the undersides of a lot of older cars would provide mpg benefits.
Replacing your brake disks? Why shouldnt you be able to upgrade them for a few hundred quid to regenerative brakes. Or get a 6 speed gearbox when the 4 speed fails.
Then you could have the equivalent of an mot test where they check the emissions and give credit to improved mpg somehow. The V8's would all end up running on injection and probably save a third of their emissions.
Or you can fuel the throwaway culture which is probably the biggest threat to mankind in the long run...(but makes money!)
Replacing your brake disks? Why shouldnt you be able to upgrade them for a few hundred quid to regenerative brakes. Or get a 6 speed gearbox when the 4 speed fails.
Then you could have the equivalent of an mot test where they check the emissions and give credit to improved mpg somehow. The V8's would all end up running on injection and probably save a third of their emissions.
Or you can fuel the throwaway culture which is probably the biggest threat to mankind in the long run...(but makes money!)
sdibbers
Well-Known Member
Getting on my soapbox. Most vehicles use 60-70% of their carbon footprint during manufacture. Consequently the enviromental cost of new cars is much worse than maintainng a car to extend the life of it. Electric and especially hybrid cars have a massive footprint purely down to batteries. Add to the fact that at the end of life the batteries contain very toxic heavy metals.
I hate to say it but a good diesel or Tsi style petrol car is the greenest car. At the end of the day maintaining a classic is probably one of the most enviromentally responsibile thing.
Gets off my soapbox.
Steve
I hate to say it but a good diesel or Tsi style petrol car is the greenest car. At the end of the day maintaining a classic is probably one of the most enviromentally responsibile thing.
Gets off my soapbox.
Steve
Brian-Northampton
Administrator
It's all about Politics.
Tell the public that it's a GREEN issue
Tax the cars that have bad emissions to try to prove it's a GREEN issue and casually ignore the emissions through manufacture.
The Tax actually pursuades people to scrap old cars and buy new cars with low Road Tax
Economy keeps moving through the public both borrowing and spending loads of cash.
Nothing to do with Green or Emissions. It's all about Politics and Economy dressed in a bit of green mascara to try to fool everyone.
Bri.
Tell the public that it's a GREEN issue
Tax the cars that have bad emissions to try to prove it's a GREEN issue and casually ignore the emissions through manufacture.
The Tax actually pursuades people to scrap old cars and buy new cars with low Road Tax
Economy keeps moving through the public both borrowing and spending loads of cash.
Nothing to do with Green or Emissions. It's all about Politics and Economy dressed in a bit of green mascara to try to fool everyone.
Bri.
neilc
Member
Classic are green - see my post in Selling/Spotted on Ebay/ Topic - "P6 Values" - a P6 will become my daily (well actually every other day as I car share with colleague!) driver very shortly. Can't think of many other things you can do where the numbers sort of work, is "green" and makes you smile every time you do it!
Neil
Neil