non gen shockers ??

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brook shaw

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my noisy front shocks had split type bushes .they kept oozing out in use causing probs

the replacement has a built in solid bush at each end ,,this seems to locate easily and securely without the prob of the bushes oozing out,,but i read somwhere a while ago these type of shocks are no good,,u must use the ones with the split bush

it works ok,,so why is it so wrong to fit these ???
 
If the ones you have were specifically made for a P6,then they may be ok.
BUT"!! if they are a std shock that just happens to fit then the valve in them wont work properly,as the suspension design means front shocks on a P6 work the opposite to std shocks.
Also the metal insert on the bush has to be a very close fit to the mounting point otherwise movement will occur and wear will happen.
There are 2 holes on the mounting points the closest to the body,!"inner " has to be used to secure the washer to hold the std rubber bushes otherwise they will ooze out and not be effective.
 
I fitted single piece poly bushes to the front shocks when I replaced them over a year ago. Never had any problems with them.

Dave
 
they are proper p6 shocks,,seem to work ok....so i guess im ok##

when the others squidged bushes out,it was on the inner hole,,and a tight fit against the washer,,

oh well,if its ok,,ill leave em on....

lol :mrgreen:
 
I bought some NOS boxed P6 front shocks (Armstrong) from Ebay from Roverparts of London, but when they arrived, they had the solid type pressed in bush, with a metal insert that was too small. No problem, I thought, I've got a set of polyurethane shock bushes from superflex, so I'll use those. The upshot of it was that when I pushed the bush out of the shock, the "hoop" at the end was parallel, ie the same diameter all the way through, whereas the original item narrowed in the middle. I got around it by fitting the shock, with the bushes supplied, with the extra washers supplied with them, and it was nice and tight to start with, but now rattles like a b***ard...

My question is.. What's the best solution now? Swap the shocks for the proper type with the 2 part bushes, fitted to shocks with the correct type "hoops", or just get an original set of bushes. My polybushes, I don't think will work with these shocks. Here are the bushes, which by their shape explain the narrowing shape to the "hoop" it fits in. Do I have to buy new shocks? I doubt whether he'll take them back once they've been on a car for a couple of hundred miles..

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I agree about the polybushes you've pictured. I think I'd measure the internal diameter of the eye on the shock absorber and the external diameter of the peg and quote these to Polybush and see if they have anything suitable. Provided that the bushes supplied are (a little) wider than the shocks you should be able to fine adjust their compression with extra washers inside of the split pin.

Chris
 
Cheers Chris, I'll give that a go. The only other thing I was worried about was the thing about why the original eyes on the shock narrowed in the middle anyway. Was it to help keep the shock located correctly on the bush? I'm guessing probably partly. The bush is held in place by the washers, and nut & split pin. Would I have any issues using shocks with eyes that have the same internal diameter all the way through? Is the compression of the bush both within the eye, and at either side enough to stop the shock working its way off the bush?
 
If he's selling them as P6 shockers ,they should fit without all this aggro.
Ask for a refund or compensation
 
That's the ones! Exactly the same as mine.. I wouldn't mind betting the valves inside are not right for a P6 either. I'm going to write to complain I think. But you're right, I fitted them a couple of months ago at least, and had to take the metal inserts out to get them on, he's not gonna want to refund me, especially as I gave him bad feedback for taking nearly a month to post them. Whether they're fit for purpose is probably a grey area too, cos they will actually fit. What did you do with yours?
 
I also bought a set of those a couple of years ago. Apart from having the same issues with the bushes like you, one of the pair was terribly stiff and the other rather soft. Even after bleeding they didn't settle, and seeing also the problem with the bushes, i said enough, and returned them. I got a refund (after a long time as i remember...) but i also lost on postage, so a bit of a bitter experience.
 
Why is a P6 front shock different to any other one. I know that they extend as the wheel goes up and compress when it returns, but the shock doesn't know this. all it sees is a force extending it (the wheel going over a bump), and another extending it (the spring pushing it back)? The force required to extend or compress the shock should be the same.
 
keynsham1 said:
Why is a P6 front shock different to any other one. I know that they extend as the wheel goes up and compress when it returns, but the shock doesn't know this. all it sees is a force extending it (the wheel going over a bump), and another extending it (the spring pushing it back)? The force required to extend or compress the shock should be the same.
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You've explained precisely the reason why they are different. The damper is there to damp out the spring motion after the wheel hits a bump, the bump being absorbed by the spring, not the damper, so as the damper needs to work on the spring return, that's when maximum damping needs to be, and in the case of the P6 front, that is when the damper is shortening, not lengthening as it does in all other vehicles I can think of.

As for the seller of the dampers, he has "over 20 years of trading Rover parts" (and he still knows nothing......)
 
I doubt he'd argue with a Small Claims Court summons
This isn't a personal comment about the bloke , just about unsatisfactory goods in general .What part number do they have and are they P6 shocks or something which fits with a bit of improvisation ?
 
Just flipping back to the bushes, the tapered angle on them is to allow for angular movement. The top and bottom mounts are not in vertical alignment when view from the front of the car so the shock sits an angle which changes as the suspension moves up and down. The bushes flex to allow this movement, if they don't (or can't because the bushing material is too thin) then the shock eyelet will break off.
 
I have only ever purchased one item from that seller. Took ages to arrive, rarely answered emails and when he did he was rude. :evil: Out of principle I would never buy from him again, even if he was the only person who had what I wanted. On top of that, his buy it now prices are utterly ridiculous.

Ron.
 
Just a friendly reminder - The forum rules say please dont post negative supplier reviews and i think this is verging on that. On the Negative product review front not fit for purpose is different in my mind....

Thanks,

Rich.
 
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