no starting crank, just relay click - problem SOLVED

sagegreen

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Hello Rover Friends,

also this problem is solved. And again, it was the fault of the workshop (garage) (this is frustrating)
2 years ago the original Lucas M45G gave up after more than 40 years of work.

The workshop changed the starter motor 2 years ago, but as I found out now (because Iasked for the 2nd (not working starter) to get back), it was a LUCAS 9M90 (which is for a Austin Montego 2.0. auto)!!!!

So, it was clear, that the austin starter will not survive long. I lost all my faith in austrian mechanics now :x
Now, the same workshop put a new starter in my car. now its a adapted Range Rover Classic starter. I said the mechanic, he should put a 3M100 inside car, if he can not get one, I will try to buy one.
but he is sure, that this Range Rover starter will work as good as the 3M100.

now: car starts good, the sound of starter is different (like a modern car now).

so, lets hope and see
regards
Richard
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Re: no starting crank, just relay click

Hi, if the lights went out as you tried to crank it with the connections to the battery just pushed
on then that answers one point. The battery connections need to be clean and tight because of the
amount of current they carry. You need to make sure the connections on the starter are clean and
tight. Next you need to check and clean the earth connections. The relay clicking as you say shows
that's working, but is it getting power down at the starter? You state that the starter has been getting
slower turning over, that indicates it maybe a deteriorating connection or the starter itself, just
because it's new or nearly new doesn't mean it can't go wrong. I know you say you are not a mechanic
and are not happy about going under the car, but there is one other thing you can do. if you can get
someone to operate the key while you reach underneath and give the starter a hit with a hammer but
mind you don't hit the bakelite end on the solenoid. You may find the starter will work so you can get
it to a garage.

Colin

P.S. just seen you have tried hitting with a hammer, so it does sound like a starter defect.
 
Re: no starting crank, just relay click

The starter of my MGB V8 went slower. I thought i needed a new battery but suddenly the starter died completely. I removed it from the car and opened it and the static coil was burned.
I had a few spare starters and discovered that the starter in the MG had an aluminum static coil which is according to the Rover SD1 WSM is not for the V8. The other coils have copper windings which are more powerfull and for the V8. After installing an overhauled starter with copper windings, the battery didn't have any problems turning over the starter.

Peter
 
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Hi Richard,
The click and no start, mine did that (about 3 years ago) and all it was, was a dirty connection on the starter motor, cleaned it all and it has been okay ever since, so, as Colin says, make sure everything is clean and perhaps apply a smear of petroleum jelly (on all these connections, battery terminals etc) Good luck
DAV8
Dave
 
Re: no starting crank, just relay click

thank you peter, I will keep this (copper windings) in mind, if the starter must be overhauled. This is good to know. Thanks a lot. Richard
 
Re: no starting crank, just relay click

DAV8 said:
Hi Richard,
The click and no start, mine did that (about 3 years ago) and all it was, was a dirty connection on the starter motor, cleaned it all and it has been okay ever since, so, as Colin says, make sure everything is clean and perhaps apply a smear of petroleum jelly (on all these connections, battery terminals etc) Good luck
DAV8
Dave
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hallo dave, yes, battery poles are greased, the starter seems to be very clean, but I will try to clean contacts on starter, I hope petroleum jelly on a brush will help, or should I use a contact spray?
Thank you. Richard
 
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colnerov said:
Next you need to check and clean the earth connections. but is it getting power down at the starter? You state that the starter has been getting
slower turning over, that indicates it maybe a deteriorating connection or the starter itself, just
because it's new or nearly new doesn't mean it can't go wrong. but there is one other thing you can do. if you can get
someone to operate the key while you reach underneath and give the starter a hit with a hammer but
mind you don't hit the bakelite end on the solenoid. You may find the starter will work so you can get
it to a garage.

Colin

hi colin, many thanks. yes, I hitted on starter, but I was alone, so I will try to hit (tap) the starter again during someone turn the key. Should I tap on the side of starter and solenoid or just starter motor?
earth connections: on which places I can find them? (battery, underneath engine and starter) anywhere else?
Yes, it went slower and slower, just if I pushed down the throttle pedal (with pulled manual choke) during starting process, the car started….(I do not know why a fully pushed pedal gives the starter the power to turn over?)
As soon as I have time this week, I will shoot some pics oft the starter with the connections.
(COLIN): it's new or nearly new doesn't mean it can't go wrong.
yes, haha, in the meantime I am very suspicious about every mechanic which touches my car because my original Lucas M45G - 260266 was exchanged by the garage. (I think to a 3M100 - 25683)

Thank you very much, Richard :D
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Re: no starting crank, just relay click

Hi, you can hit the starter anywhere (except bakelite end cap) it's just a case of jarring the
starter motor.

The comment you make about moving the throttle pedal and it improving indicates that it's
an earth problem. the favourite is the earth lead that goes around the left hand engine mount,
it's a braided cable that goes from the engine block to the welded bracket on the front cross
member. Sometimes the braid pulls out of the flag terminal on the engine. As a temporary fix
try clipping a jump lead from the engine to the body.

Colin
 
Re: no starting crank, just relay click

colnerov said:
Hi, you can hit the starter anywhere (except bakelite end cap) it's just a case of jarring the
starter motor.

The comment you make about moving the throttle pedal and it improving indicates that it's
an earth problem.

Colin
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Hi Colin.....I will look at this today, I am curious if this is the Problem and in which condition this braided cable is.
thank you - regards - Richard
 
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sagegreen said:
thank you peter, I will keep this (copper windings) in mind, if the starter must be overhauled. This is good to know. Thanks a lot. Richard
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just for info: last week a mechanic looked at the Problem. he thinks its the starter (stuck or burnt something inside). There is power from the battery on the starter (Voltmeter)
So, the next weeks the car will be "Trailer" brought to the Garage to overhaul the starter. I will Keep you informed :) thanks a lot my P6 friends
 
Re: no starting crank, just relay click

sagegreen said:
sagegreen said:
thank you peter, I will keep this (copper windings) in mind, if the starter must be overhauled. This is good to know. Thanks a lot. Richard
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just for info: last week a mechanic looked at the Problem. he thinks its the starter (stuck or burnt something inside). There is power from the battery on the starter (Voltmeter)
So, the next weeks the car will be "Trailer" brought to the Garage to overhaul the starter. I will Keep you informed :) thanks a lot my P6 friends
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just to keep you informed, my car was brought with an trailer to the garage yesterday...(yes,...3 months of waiting) ....first info from garage, the "exchanged" starter motor just worked 3 years and does not make any sound anymore - RIP. I miss my orignal 1969 M45G starter Motor, because this unit worked 43 Years. yes, LUCAS made good longliving products.
 
Re: no starting crank, just relay click

The earth strap from the car to the body can cause this - i've had it before. I have 3 earth straps now for good measure ;)
 
Re: no starting crank, just relay click

rockdemon said:
The earth strap from the car to the body can cause this - i've had it before. I have 3 earth straps now for good measure ;)
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Hello Rockdemon,
how did you find out, that the earth strap is the "bad boy"?
regards Richard
 
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