Hi there, new P6 owner.

Tom W

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Hi all,

1st post so be gentle. I've just bought a P6 2200tc project so I'm sure I'll have lots of questions over the coming weeks.

It was bought as a non runner, but after tightening the engine earth strap and stripping and cleaning the starter motor, it now runs. Took it for an MOT, and it's only failed on rear brakes and handbrake not working, and it needs a new exhaust and some new tyres. Hopefully it won't be too difficult to get sorted.

Tom
 

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Looks like you've got a nice project car to get stuck into there. The rear brakes are not as hard as some non p6 owners may suggest. :) Sounds like they just need taking off and servicing. I've just done mine so ask away whilst still fresh in my mind, did have some pics but the dog chewed the camera up.

Should be a rolling restro just like my old girl.
 
I've got the garage that MOTd it to quote for fixing the brakes, but I'd like to have a go myself. Until I got it, the car hadn't been run since October. It was last put in for an MOT in August, and it didn't fail on brakes then so hopefully things just need a little freeing up after it's been standing. The hand brake goes straight up with no resistance and the MOT had an advisory for thin rear pads, so maybe a clean up, reset the handbrake mechanism and some new pads will be all it needs.

Tom
 
Welcome Tom

If you're anything like me you'll find it far more satisfying to sort these things yourself, facilities, tools and time allowing of course. Looks like a nice car underneath the dust :) Good colour too :D

Lots of good advice here so have a scan through the brakes section. There are probably quite a few pics of the rear set up already.

Good luck and keep the pics coming as you progress.

Dave
 
You'll save a shed load of cash too. Well worth having a go at doing it your self. If it's not your daily drive which I guess it's not then you can take your time at each step. A few bangs with a hammer and new pads may well do it. :)
 
Wonder how thin the pads are? I've known this before and you get the customers car in to fit new and they look almost the same :LOL:
They're not the meatiest looking pads as they last for ages and if the place you went are not familiar with them.................
MOT minimum is 1.5 mm of material as far as I know :)
The handbrake linkage may be seized and just need setting up correctly which affects the whole brake self adjusting sytem on the calipers. Often folk over adjust the handbrake cable too if they don't underatsnd the system.
You may have less to do than you suspect if you're lucky :wink:
 
GrimV8 said:
Often folk over adjust the handbrake cable too if they don't underatsnd the system.

this is a command fault that befalls old Fords, instead of adjusting the handbrake via the adjust on the shoes they adjust the cable. This loads the system causing it to seize as well as causes some of the stress of braking to stretch the cable even more. Golden rule will ALL brake systems is to first loosen of the cable (sounds like yours already is) then adjust the brakes and finally do the cable. Should have no strain on it when the handbrake is off.

For classics, the auto adjusting systems very rarely work and need a little 'manual' adjustment. :)
 
Copy and pasted from a small blog type thing I did Here....



Postby richarduk » Mon May 12, 2008 12:55 pm
Time for an update, been a couple of weeks since the work on the steering, not changed the front tyres yet, got a biding rear brake to fix first.

I've order up some new pads and started the job of dropping down the diff. I'm expecting the cailliper in question, the near side one, to have either the handbrake linkage to be seized or something more serious causing it to bind. It does not bind too much but enough for you to feel it dragging and for it to over heat the brake. Odd thing it does not do it all the time and once cooled down will be ok for a while. When it does bind the wheel is hard to turn by hand so does need doing.

Here is what inboard disks look like.
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The callipers are on the top with a big plate that holds the diff in place in the way.
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There are three bolts to be removed from the diff before removing the plate, you need to do this because if you unbolt the plate from the car first its hard to get a good purchase on the bolts to undo them, the diff moves about far too much. Once these bolts are done you can remove the stabiliser rod and the two long bolts that attach the plate to the bodywork, the nuts to these are accessed from the boot under two plates.
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Also you need to release the brake pipe from its bracket so that the pipe is not stretched. Just need to loosen of the bolt, not the pipe though!
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Once this is done the diff can be lowered down on a jack, the jack can be removed once lowered down, the half shafts will keep it in place.
AccessToDiff.jpg

You may be able to see in this picture that the callipers look like they've been reconditioned, up close they look in very good condition. So thats a nice surprise so I remove the pads, there are two bolts that hold the outer pads in place and two bolts on the front and read edge of the brake that holds in a plate that in turn holds in the inner pads.

With the pads removed I spot the 1st problem, could be the cause, the piston on the problem calliper is 180 degrees out. The pistons on these brakes wind in and out for adjusting back the handbrake auto adjuster. To do this is an L shapped plate on the end, this should be pointing up to the body of the car, on the problem calliper its pointing down. The other problem is that the flex pipes are not very good condition, I've ordered two new ones. There are two on the back, one from the body to the offside calliper on the diff and then another to the nearside calliper.

With the old pads out its obvious the nearside ones have over heated and both sides are not in a very good shape, this could have been to do with the time being off the road and the disks rusting up then driving the car to clean them up. I expected this and had always planned to change the pads once the disks were clean.

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Looking at the new and old together they don't look too warn.
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Now with the pads out I check all the handbrake linkage over, every thing is moving fine and the callipers are free to move on their pivot pins. Also the pistons wind back easily, did with my hands there are in such good nick. :)

I put in the new pads and put it all back together, whilst doing this I took the chance to paint up the plate. :)

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Time for a test drive, I drive for about ten mins and then return home, no noise from the rear and does feel good. But when I jack her up the near side rear is still binding, not as bad as before but enough for me not to be happy. So I jump on the net and post to the p6roc forum and ask the oracle. I get an answer back quickly, it seems the 2nd problem I found, the old brake flex pipes could be the cause. Seems because there are two to the nearside, one via the offside it is common for the pipes to create a kind of 'one way' valve when they get old. This sounds a good candidate but will not know till next Saturday and they are replaced. There isn't anything else it can be!
All in all was a good Sunday spent working on the P6 coming in doors to a roast and scrap heap challenge. :)
 
Thanks for the advice so far.Getting at the brakes doesn't look too scary so I think I'm going to have a go at fixing things myself. The garage has estimated £300-400 in labour to sort the rear brakes, with parts on top. Whilst I'm sure they can do it, that's a lot of money compared to what I spent on the car and I've seen recon calipers for £220, so worst case scenario is I need 2 recon calipers. Am I right in thinking a 2200tc should have pads without the sensor wires? I've seen ones with wires on ebay. Will these fit if I cut the wires off?
 
Costs

cost sounds similar to what I was quoted last week here in NZ, a minimum of NZ$1000.00 before parts cost but could go much higher :shock:

Graeme
 
If the car doesn't have the pad warning light system then just cut the sensor wires off the pads.

Book time to remove overhaul and refit both calipers is 6.45 hrs. If you get a garage to do them for you expect problems afterwards if they've never done them before. (And even if they have......)
 
harveyp6 said:
. (And even if they have......)

So true, i've had a few problems with mine, although it now looks like the problem was a leaking brake light switch.

Pop to JRW for some spares, you can get a service kit for the calipers and the correct pads. Make sure you dismantal one caliper and service / rebuild it before doing the other so you have a reference. Also when I did mine there is a leaver that is moved by the brake slave cylinder and the handbrake. It locates in a slot of a bar that retains it all, when you put it back together make sure it is located in this slot else the auto adjust will not work. Also as per another thread on here to get a good adjustment don't reply on the auto adjust but do it by hand via the rotating the cylinder that pushes on the pads. The cyclinder you see when the pads are removed is not the slave cylinder but is moved via the leaver.
Another final bit of advice, have a bucket of soapy water and give you hands a wash after removing the calipers and before doing anything else. Brake fluid on you hands WILL remove hand shaped sections of paint from the bodywork!
 
harveyp6 said:
If the car doesn't have the pad warning light system then just cut the sensor wires off the pads.

Book time to remove overhaul and refit both calipers is 6.45 hrs. If you get a garage to do them for you expect problems afterwards if they've never done them before. (And even if they have......)
Surely that depends where you go? :wink:
 
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