Hi, just joined..

No its not £215 a year but i new that before i did the deal! i'm about a year and a half out . Hope the 1973 threshold moves at some point!! Electronic ignition is easy enough but it seems with these cars their are quite a few differences between very similar cars so everything is down to careful identification of bits :wink: Have taken a risk on a kit from a guy on here but if it doesn't fit will pass it on to someone else.
 
Ah Phillipe bon soir like bonny lad. I knew you had to get this out you system :mrgreen: :mrgreen: owt you want you know where to find me & I'll do me best
 
2Diesels said:
Ah Phillipe bon soir like bonny lad. I knew you had to get this out you system :mrgreen: :mrgreen: owt you want you know where to find me & I'll do me best
Ah hallo deux gazole me old mate!! Cheers for that although you may regret saying that! First off, I need carbs!! I'm on the moped until I do and that isn't fun!
 
phil said:
Thats what i am leaning towards, a set of carbs but I honestly have never rebuilt a carb before so would rather get some good second hand ones for now until I can get min rebuilt properly. How is yours going?

Phil

There are some useful pics and info on carb rebuilds here scroll down the page a bit when you get there. I'm loathe to touch mine at the moment as the car runs very well. It's a job that will need doing sometime though :D

Dave
 
Hi Phil, and welcome to the forum.

Whatever is wrong with your SU carbs won't be difficult to fix! Unlike other makes the SU is extremely simple.

Go and have a look here

http://www.sucarb.co.uk/

and here

http://www.rover-classics.co.uk/ima...etter Float Chamber & Suction Chamber_jpg.htm

If you're sure the carbs themselves have a problem, then by all means go for an overhaul. As likely is a problem with the linkage and setting up. Have a look here for a good potted guide:

I think you've reached the stage where it can be relied upon to run on demand, without dumping it's fluids on the ground? I suggest we put the performance or otherwise of the box to one side for this week, whilst we sort out the throttle linkage and carburettors.

So lets discover the size of the linkage problem first. Get someone to plant a large hoot (or use a breeze block) so that full throttle is engaged in the drivers seat. Engine off, by the way! Now look first at the drivers side carb and see whether it has reached full throttle, Then the passenger side one. If so the linakge issues are finished. If not......

Slacken off the throttle linkage from the nearside carb so that the throttle pedal is effectively disconnected from the carbs. Then reset the linkages so that when you operate the throttle of the nearside carb to full throttle, the drivers side carb reaches full throttle at the same time. Now reconnect the throttle mechanism from the pedal to the nearside carb and see if you can adjust it so that you can achieve full throttle at full pedal movement. If so we've done a major part of setting the carbs! If not we need to track down the lost motion in the throttle linkage from the pedal and see what we can change to tighten it up. Most likely is a missing or decayed rubber bush at the bulkhead where the longitudinal rod starts on its run to the passenger side carb. Suspect no 2 is the rubber bush where the linhage passes into the the cabin and the pedal. Final suspect is the nylon coupling in the middle of the longitubinal rod we've looked at before. All od these are available from the usual suspects.

Now on to the carbs themselves. Let's start by removing the cylindrical dashpots from the top of the carbs (three screws each). Inside is a piston with a spring on top between it and the dashpot. Clean all the varnish like deposits from the inside of the dashpot and the sides of the piston. Dare I suggest the dishwasher as a very effective tool? If not, Brasso or similar will do the trick! once clean, try the pistons back in the dashpots dry and without the springs. Do they both drop out at the same rate? Try swapping the pistons between dashpots unilt they do. Check the springs are the same length and adjust until they are. Then reasemble. Leave everything dry and when its all back together just fill the tube for the damper only with oil before refitting the damper.You ought not to allow oil to spill over into the dashpot/piston assembly.

There's only one other thing that can normally go wrong with the carbs and that's the fuel level in the float chanbers. I propose we ignore this unless there is eveidence of fuel spilling out of the carbs.

Now all we have to do is set the idle throttle setting and the idle fuel mixture setting. ie we are tweaking at the edges at this stage! So arrange a means whereby you can judge the amount of air going into the carbs at idle or just above. I do this by ear, some people use a bit of tube as a stethoscope, some go out and buy a full monty carbalancer. Set the idle throttle so that both carbs are sucking equally. Then find a means of assessing the fuel misture. Some people do this by "plug cuts" (ie stopping the engine and having some plugs out to check them for colour). Some use the pin lift test. I use a colourtune to look inside the cylinders. Remember you have two carbs so you will need to do this twice - once in each of two cylinders fed by different carbs. Each time you adjust the mixture you'll have to reset the idle throttle and vice versa.

There we are, job done!



Now down to the misfire/running issues.

Go back to my write up and take it nice and steadily one thing at a time. On no account keep jumping around with the next good idea!

Lets start by making sure the ignition is in A1 order.

So you're right, you need a new set of plugs in there.

Then go back and make sure there is good separation between the plug leads at all points. Don't make do with the lead separators you've got, cover the engine in them! And in particular make sure there is no chance of the leads touching each other coming off the disctributor cap. Cross firing is the sinble biggest problem on the V8.

Yes the V8 distributor is just like your moggy 1000 one, so not difficult to get the baseplate out and check on the state of the flyweights. They should be completely clean and free - don't use any lubricant putting them back.

You should have a running engine again now, so time to set the timing ( ). Take your time over this ( ). Set it with your strobe light, but then spend a bit of time driving it round the block, then having a manual tweak and trying it again. That ought to give you a feel for how the timing affects things. If you do happen to hit on a particularely good setting use the strobe to find out what it is. If no particular improvement, use the strobe to get back to factory setting.

I'm fairly sure that timing will have been the bulk of your issues (or a plug). But even if that's solved we still need to do the final set up of the carbs.

The state you are at at the moment is that the dashpots are proved, and the throttle linkage is correctly set. Remaining to do is to balance the carbs at idle and to set the idle mixture. Neither of these make a huge amount of difference at high throttle and high revs. But they dramatically improve things at low throttle and low revs.

Lockily, the cast aluminium elbows between the carbs and the aircleaner just pull off, as you'll be doing a fair bit of this! To balance the carbs, just whip the elbows off and listen to the hiss (suck) going into each carb. I use a bit of small diameter tube as a sthethescope so I don't have to contort to get my ear right up to the carbs. Adjust the idle adjustment screw until the hiss is equal on each carb and the idle speed is OK.

Now you need to set the mixture. Some people claim to be able to do this as in the manual by lifting the pin under the dashpot. I'm astonished by this. I always use a colourtune. Basically a spark plug with a piece of silica (glass) instead of an insulator, so that you can see the flame colour inside the cylider. Then adjust the mixture until the flame colour is on the point of changing from orange to blue. Orange is too much fuel, blue is not enough - just like a camping stove! Sounds simple? Well yes, but a lot of faffing about. You've got to make sure that the carb you are adjusting feeds the cylinder with the colourtune in = see if you can work out which carb feeds which cylinders and we'll give you marks out of 10! And you'd want to swap the colourtune about a bit to see if all four cylinders fed by the carb you're adjusting are behaving the same. Being old and lazy I'd probaly use four colourtumes!

Now back to the balancing. And back to the mixure. And back to the balancing. Until you have a setting that satisfies both.

Then have another fiddle with the timing and see if there is now a more pronounced differnce or you favourite setting has changed.

Then back to the carbs.


If none of this does the trick, it is allowed to dive up and take the car to a profeddional. I have! Lucky had a very peculiar problem when I first got him which eventually turned out to be a poor quality condensor. And he was a bit down on power. So I took him to a well recommended rolling road. Fundamentally they do exacrly what is described above, but using much more sensitive sensors to judge what is going on. And they are able to neasure a few things we can't - like voltage at the plugs.

They transforned Lucky from 62bhp at the rear wheels to 115!

Best of luck and take it slowly. It's only a nachine!

Only final thought. I have heard tell that HIF6's (as yours has) have been known to badly wear the needle and jet. In an HIF6 the needle is spring loaded, so can rub on the side of the jet opening. If you can't get sensible results from the mixture setting process this could be a possible cause.

Also, remind me whether you have cleaned out the inside of the float chamber on the carbs? Oh, and have you run the tank dry and refilled with new petrol in your ownership yet?
 
Hi Phil, and welcome to the forum. I'm pretty new here myself and I can tell you, it's a very friendly forum. I have just bought myself a P6 with the proceeds of selling my Rover P4 within the last fortnight too. Your Rover looks very clean, even though it's a tad flat. And I just love the Marina's, their cool.

Gaz :D
 
Thanks for the tips guys, I have orderded a rebuild kit to do the carbs, hoping that will be here soon. I hope tomorrow but I doubt it.
Gaz, thanks, it needs a respray really but particularly needs the doors repairing. It polished up a different car though! I think I recognise you from another forum??
 
hi

nice car!!! almost identical to mine, also where it requires the repairs on the door bottoms lol

i use my car as a daily driver well im in middle of repairing and painting it, so not used it past few days
 
rickyv8 said:
hi

nice car!!! almost identical to mine, also where it requires the repairs on the door bottoms lol

i use my car as a daily driver well im in middle of repairing and painting it, so not used it past few days
Hi Ricky, get some pics up of the repairs if you can, as well as the car. :)
 
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