Bill Shaw Racing P6

Gargo

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I arrived home the other day and a friend had pushed a Motorsport News cutting through my letter box, showing a picture of the restored Bill Shaw Racing car at Donington Park.


Does anyone now any details of the car?
I hope it used the DeDion axle and if so what (who's) diff did it use?
 

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If it is the same as this one in the article, which Bill Shaw was involved with, then the front suspension is P6, while the rear is based on Jaguar XJ6 components.....a Jaguar differential and independent suspension with inboard rear brakes.
The disc brakes are McLaren M10A at the rear and M10B at the front, all are ventilated. The engine was 4.5 litres breathing through four dual throated Weber carbs delivering 364 BHP which propelled the Rover to a top speed of 176 mph (283kph).

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Ron.
 
I think that's the other one Ron. JXC806D went to Australia in about 1970, came to NZ for a season's racing then back to Oz. It was heavily modified over the years but I believe it is still in Australia.
JXC808D stayed in the UK and Europe for most of it's life. Last I heard it was for sale (and subsequently sold) a few years back. Rudiger had a bit on it here:
http://www.ruediger-wicke.de/JXC808D.htm
 
If I recall correcetly that article is about the car that finished up in Aus - allgedly JXC 806 D? (I say allegedly, because 806 as raced had a V8 base unit, and in the light of the series production intention, may well have been a completely new car, just bearing the registration plates from the old 806 which, as a V8 prototype, used a 2000 base unit) I'm pretty sure also that the car referred to as being on display in the US is the one built up from "spares" and isn't in fact one of the two original racers, although things are pretty murky there and it may well have carried the "808" registration plates. The engine in the car that came to Aus is the one originally fitted to 808 and was later reclaimed by BL - hence the massive rebuild that car then suffered, it now being only barely recognisable as a P6 with the bulkhead gone, engine in the passenger compartment etc etc. Whilst the details of the engine given in the article are as published at the time by BL, they don't correlate with the engine! It's actually rather larger and more exotic than advertised. We know because the engine still bore the TRACO engine number and TRACO still exist in California. They were able to furnish precise build details, which do correlate with the engine. Hence the decision to use a replica engine in the racer rather than risk the original. Spec is best described as upgraded Can-Am which, if there's anyone on here who knows what that means, translates to Mega Horsepower. It would seem BL didn't bother telling the racing authorities at the time.... I have a feeling the published spec probably did match the engine in 806 so they probably thought they could get away with pretending they were two of a kind!

As regards suspension, 806 is generally agreed to have had a complete Jag E type rear end, ditching the de dion along with the diff. 808, however retained the de dion, although I can't remember whether or not is still has the Rover diff. 808 as it is now, whilst having broadly P6 front suspension, has considerable modifications. Not least that the mounting points for the lower wishbone are raised onto the inner wing, so as to eliminate most of the camber change in bump that's a feature of the original location. Everything is rose jointed and the roll cage acts as a brace for the top link pivot point by being directly bolted through the bulkhead into the top link brackets.

There is some certainty that the car you see pictured today is 808 as it still retains the 2000 base unit. The owners research also suggests, that, contrary to published information, it is 808 that was the car that actually competed at Spa, no matter what plates it was actually wearing at the time! So the car photo'd is the actual car that retired from the lead, 20 miles ahead of the works Porsches in the last competitive outing for either car.

As you can see from the above, establishing exactly what you are looking at, difficult enough with any works prototype, is doubly so with these two (or more) cars!

Chris
 
Some good info here, thanks. Thanks too for the links to more details about the car/cars.
http://www.ruediger-wicke.de/TestGB/P6RacerII.htm

Ron: Are the photos from a mag or a book? Which one?
They say the car has plastic windows with Alloy and GRP panels. Do you think this is where they lost all the weight, "It weighs 19cwt, compared with 26cwt for a standard Rover", what ever a 'cwt' is?

Chris: With car disappearing for years, sold, dismantled, discovered and restored, you are so correct in saying "establishing exactly what you are looking at, difficult enough....."

I can understand why it has a Jag back end, it was on the shelf in another factory, unfortunately I don't have one on the self in another garage!
I'd love to see these cars and look at them closely.
Thanks,
Gavin.
P.S. Sorry about the duel thread but the Reg number didn't mean anything to me. :oops:
 
Cwt stands for hundredweight. In the uk it was 112 ponds or 8 stone. This was before we went metric. Think it was different in the USA IIRC it was 100 pounds their. Mick
 
Ron's article looks to be a reproduction of this one that originally appeared in Australian magazine 'Sports car world' in July '71.
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Gargo wrote,...
Ron: Are the photos from a mag or a book? Which one?

Hello Gavin,

The story and photos appeared in a Brooklands Book publication "Rover 3500, 1968 to 1977" which was printed in 1986.

KiwiRover is indeed spot on,..my black and white story and pics first appeared in his "Sports car world" magazine of July, 71. Looks great in colour KR.. :D

KR,..If you don't mind me asking,...is your Dad a long time Roverman too, or did you do some hunting to find those gems?

Ron.
 
I watched a Rover racing in Camel yellow livery in Melbourne in the start of the seventies .1972-3 I think . I took a few photos but my camera was no better than a box brownie . The one I took in the pits is on Rudigers page ,the others were blurred and out of range. Went like a cut cat
 
Hi Ron, my Dad is a highly talented musician but mechanically incompetent. :LOL: My collection is all my own work!
Gerald, that would've been the same car, JXC806D. I think the yellow paint came after the blue/white and accompanied a few more modifications.
 
http://www.roverp6.info/Fotos/exWorksRacer/exWorksRacerAUS.htm

Very interesting, they don't even look the same, but the 70's was pre-internet, they could get away with it.

Looking at the open bonnet photo: I see the engine is quite far back, helps changing directions. Also the lattice structure looks like it is picking up the lower front suspension points, but why have they brought it high up over the engine, there is nothing important to pick up high on the inner wheel arches?

The red anodized alloy fittings suggest the photo's not from the 70's.

The other odd thing is the air duct from the inner light opening is on the driver side only, suggesting to me it is to cool the driver; but it looks to be disappearing inside the wheel arch just where the suspension should be. Is it to cool the brakes and the other side's ducting is missing or is the high lattice structure is to pickup non-P6 front suspension mounts, giving space for a cooling duct?

Gavin.
 
Hi Gavin

Those photo's are of the car as rebuuilt in Australia afer the "Rover" engines had been reclaimed by BL. The features you describe are not the original factory ones butafter the bulkhead had been removed and the engine position moved back Likewise the engine is not the factory one. I suspect the lattice work is to replace the structure lost when the bulkhead was removed.

You can see that 806 is now a very long way indeed from the car that Rover raced in the UK.

Chris
 
the number plate swapping was not only used in the pre internet days but a lot of the rally boys still do it i belive, as cars are crashed, rebuilt, resprayed, reclaimed and so on, so often whos to say if the car that one guy stuffed last season is the same one hes racing this season. its also like only fools and horses with the same broom for 12year its has 12 different handels and 10 different heads but its still the same broom.
 
the car at donington is one of the 2 cars, 808 undergone restoration mainly by current owner, and then finished by ourselfs, currently working suspension setups with the car, it runs Jag rear indipendent suspension from period. if anyone has any period photos of the car / cars i would very much like to hear from you as we are trying collect as much info as we can other than the info currently on the web.
 
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