Air Conditioning

roverman

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My heater has packed up. I use my 3500S year-round and I'm interested in fitting the optional air-conditioning/heater system, for which I believe parts are available - Ian Wilson?

I have two concerns about fitting A/C and I would welcome comment from anyone with experience of it in a P6:

1. Reading about the system in the Rover service manual it looks to be a complex affair and I wonder about reliability.

2. The compressor appears to be engaged even when the system is being used to heat the car. How significant is the power-drain when the compressor is running - loss of performance and higher fuel-consumption?
 
Hi Roverman

Ian is on holiday at the moment, so I'm sure he won't mind if I answer one or two of the questions for him.

The compressor has an electrically operated clutch between it and the drive pulley and there is a pull switch in the interior to enable it (its controlled by the sytem after that) , so no power loss issues.

There is also a mod available to fit a much neater rotary compressor see Ebay item No 170109171451 . this has the advantage that you don't need to redirect the engine steady bar to clear the compressor; and it's lighter!

There are other advantages associated with this system. The heater box is completely different to the standard item and has a much better blower motor - so even if you're not using the A/C you get much better ventilation. You potentially also get electric windows as there is a location in the revised centre console for the switches - you'll need a set of the NADA window frames to go with them, or use aftermarket electric window conversion motors. (I'm actually using NADA frames myself but I did the research for the aftermarket ones and was pleasantly surprised and impressed)

As for reliability, there's not a huge amount of experience available to me - they are extremely rare in this country. There is one known problem, which odly enough is on the heating side! Rather than having the heater matrix continuously fed as on the non A/C heater box, the A/C cars have a vacuum operated heater valve controlled by a capilliary into the car's interior so that you get a genuine thermostsic control of interior temperature. The capilliary is almost invariably broken and, so far, we have been unable to identify a replacement part, either like for like or modern alternative. People I've talked to seem not to mind, on the grounds that their cars are summer show cars. That's not good enough for me and I'm still investigating how to tackle this.

The other potential area looks to be the knob / valve on the left of the centre console which controls the temperature. This is really a vacuum distributor with seven or eight (haven't got one in front of me to count) seperately controlled outlets on the rear. As well as temperature it also controls all the flaps in the heater box and the compressor clutch. Vacuum actuators are pretty standard but I could imagine that valve being a problem if there was ever anything wrong with it. I'm not looking forward to trying to commission mine either!

Appearance inside the car is arguably better than the standard interior and very professional. That's why I chose the system over an aftermarket one.

I actually imported a complete "resting" car from the US to obtain a system in conjunction with Ian (he sourced the car and I did the shipping). This was because A/C donor cars are vanishingly rare in the UK and because it looked simpler to get a car ready installed. I wouldn't say now that the latter was justified, but the rarity is, and that has a knock on effect on price. Not a five minute job to install either!

If you really want A/C I personally don't think there is an alternative that doesn't spoil the look of the dash. There are quite a lot of Australian and New Zealand cars with factory fitted aftermarket type systems that look broadly similar to the Rpver / Delanaire system fitted to S1 2000TC's. I really don't like the appearance of either. The only solution I've seen that worked visually was a Hong Kong car that had had the A/C installed in the boot blowing up out of the rear parcel shelf. It wouldn't be a huge leap to install under carpet ducts to get cold air to the front as well. But you would spend a lot of time on this with a non functioning car and no guarantees as to the result!

Hope that helps

Chris
 
Don't these old AC systems need rebuilding to take modern refrigerant as the old stuff is environmentally unfriendly ?
 
I have just finished rebuilding an original Rover P6 air conditioning box, and it's a challenge. I will be fitting it to my 1974 P6B within the next few weeks. I hope to get the entire installation finished before Spring 2008.

I am using parts from a scrapped VIP. The AC box came from a NADA car.

I may post an article about the project eventually.
 
CHris,
I'm curious as to where you saw the Hong Kong A/C installation. There is a RHD car here in Texas with the Hong Kong boot mounted evaporator. I also has a glass roof.

Kent K
 
The HK car lurked about on Ebay for a bit and then the A/C installation was advertised in at least one of the club mags. If you weren't tuned in to A/C systems I doubt if you'd have spotted it or realised its significance! So definitely in the UK. Having said that this method of installation is reasonably obvious once you've given up trying to cram something into the dash so it wouldn't surprise me if there were a number of cars done like this.

If the glass roof is a factory Triplex one then it is hugely rare! I think there is some debate as to exactly how many were made but it was definitely less than 10! By all accounts its just as well its in Texas otherwise the water would have been up to the headlining long ago! There was a bit of an issue with sealing it into the frame! I've often wondered if it would be possible to reproduce something similar by laying a sheet of perspex out on a roof panel and then getting everything suitably warm (off the car I guess!). The difficult part of the job would be devising a frame to hold it into the roof afterwards, although these days you might get away with bonding it.

Chris
 
Hi Chris,
This particular Triplex roof has a known history. It was originally installed on a 2000TC (presumably LHD) for the New York Auto Show. The car eventually rusted away and the roof was salvaged and installed on the Hong Kong car (RHD). The present car has been heavily modified with 3.9 litre engine and LT77 gearbox, 400 cfm Carter (9400) carburetor and additional gauges. The car is rust free but needs paint and has been recently brought out of ten years dry storage. The car was offered to me four years ago for US$5,000, but I declined. I don't believe it is presently for sale. If you never take it out in the rain....

Kent K.
 
Hi I have air conditioning fitted, which I am very pleased with. It is a restored original P6 unit but I have a problem with the vacuum control switching referred to by Chris York. I have tried to source an nos unit without success. I am considering having the rubber gasket which controls the direction of the vacuum remsnufactured by 3D printing, but the cost looks huge. I can control the temperature if the interior of the vehicle by blocking (hot) or unblocking (cold) the vacuum feed to the temperature selection vacuum motor which opens or closes the flap directing the heat/cold into the car. I would like to use the switch though! Has anyone any thoughts or ideas. Thanks.
 
My p6 originally had air con from hong kong with the boot mounted blower/condenser unit. It had all been removed and parts missing. They had hacked a big hole in the rear parcel shelf to fit it. It had long pipes that ran in the car from the radiator to the boot, but these had been badly damaged and broken. The evaporator unit looked like it had been in a bull fight. There was a wide outlet vent that sat on the top of the parcel shelf. The whole setup was that bad that the only option was to throw it. Wish now i had kept it. Now have a nice neat under dash unit from a NZ car fitted.
 
found this picture of what looks like v8 p6 air con , is this the type fitted to new zealand cars before being exported to Auatralia IMG_1604.jpg
 
All a/c P6 came in from Solihull. They were a factory built option as in the NADA cars. The pic you have put up is an aftermarket unit.I wanted a/c in my car , so I had to order the car in from Solihull in leu of buying a Nelson assembled car. [Yes Im that old and yes I still have the car]
 
Gerald, do you have a photo of your A/C in situ that you can show us?

Graeme
 
hi Graeme, interesting reply concerning air con,
I keep seeing a reference to " NADA" cars, what does that mean?
My car was assembled in Nelson and the previous owner called it "Nelson" , I have yet to name my red car, thinking about something using the red theme? any ideas out there? funny or not..........
Peter

Ps: we are probaly of the same ancient era, I'm a 44 model ;)
 
Off topic or on your new topic
Ours was named by a friend in London in 1970 as "Rover the wonder dog" name has sort of stuck, though at an early stage "I'm all over this Red Rover" was more appropriate.
 
I have always named my cars, 35 chev was "Bluey", = it was Wedgwood blue and black guards.
66 Daimler mk2 was "snowy",= it was old english white.
72 Morgan 4+4 was "Ruby" = Maroon.
S1 landie = Mildred because she was after "George and Mildred" and a bit long in the tooth......and green of course.
ahhh too many cars, to little time :confused:
almost forgot "Tinkerbell" the MM under restoration........on and on..
 
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