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TwinPlenum3500S

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What has happened to the stand alone P6ROC web forum? Why is the other club now part of the site and does the term "Classic Rover Forum" steer us away from P6 related issues, to other Rovers, older and newer than the P6?
 
Just goes to show that not everybody reads all of the mag,or takes note of the forums content,,so is totally in the dark with what has been going on recently!
BTW, TP,, :)
A warm welcome to the NEW Classic rover forum!
For up to an including the SD1's! :wink:
As yours is a bitsa you are ok!! 8)
 
Cheers for that ... so why is it deemed necessary to talk about all Rovers up to the sdi? I remember reading something by Richard the Webmaster about not having access to a domain or something at work any more, not that I understand computers much .... just cannot fathom the wider Rover approach. I know the Sdi club have a forum as I am sure P5s etc do? Just intrigued and looking forward to sdi owners discussions on saggy headlinings and leaking screens :twisted:

Pilkie ... as for my bitsa, u would if u could :wink:
 
TwinPlenum3500S said:
Just intrigued and looking forward to sdi owners discussions on saggy headlinings and leaking screens :twisted:
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I am sure it will be a fine place to discuss the design highlights of the sdi :LOL:


Graeme
 
TwinPlenum3500S said:
Cheers for that ...
Pilkie ... as for my bitsa, u would if u could :wink:
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If I got hold of a modded one I would break it or sell it quick! :wink:
Not my bag!!
 
Pilkie, each to their own. I would prefer a hotwire injected 3.9 from a low mileage 1990's Range Rover, or late SD1 engine and 5 speed box over a 10.5:1 compression, rope sealed 4 speed boxed early 1970s V8 any day .... it makes for greater useability, performance and economy. If you think about it, if the P6 continued in production into the 1990s, that is the way it would have gone.

But I also understand why people like originality ... each to their own. As a P.I. owner, you can see why many veered away from the original injection system given the fleets of 2500 PI's that pulled into petrol stations to pack the boot full of ice ... what about Stags, keep the original lump? Same for the P6 .... pink away on an early engine designed for 5* and scream up the motorway at 80 at 5 grand! For a car used once every other sunday, originality is ok, for a daily, then modernisation, to me, makes sense.
 
Whatever turns you on Jim!

{{For a car used once every other sunday, originality is ok, for a daily, then modernisation, to me, makes sense.}}
They were daily drivers back when new!
So whats changed!
The fuel! u/l!
Thats an easy problem to overcome on an original engine!
It might not get to 60 as quick or stop as quick as a modern car,but you drive ANY car within its limits!
 
I'm being serious ... I saw a p5b coupe with a late injection in it and was sorely tempted. If people are faffing about with engine rebuilds, then why not just flop something modern in?
 
TwinPlenum3500S said:
I'm being serious ... I saw a p5b coupe with a late injection in it and was sorely tempted. If people are faffing about with engine rebuilds, then why not just flop something modern in?
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Because it is modern and not correct for the car!
Some prefer originality other want to mess about with customising,hotting up,modding!
Whatever turns you on!!
I can appreciate the technical skills involved in whatever customising is done,and if I ever decide that I wanted to,would do one myself!
An original car will be worth more than a modded messed about one to a true enthusiast!
 
pilkie said:
TwinPlenum3500S said:
I'm being serious ... I saw a p5b coupe with a late injection in it and was sorely tempted. If people are faffing about with engine rebuilds, then why not just flop something modern in?
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Because it is modern and not correct for the car!
Some prefer originality other want to mess about with customising,hotting up,modding!
Whatever turns you on!!
I can appreciate the technical skills involved in whatever customising is done,and if I ever decide that I wanted to,would do one myself!
An original car will be worth more than a modded messed about one to a true enthusiast!
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Whilst I understand your point of view, I have to disagree slightly with you when you say that a modified car will always be worth less to a 'true enthusiast'. Therefore, by your definition, a 'true enthusiast' is someone who especially appreciates the more unmodified vehicles.

I consider myself a true car enthusiast, yet I can appreciate both modified and standard vehicles. I could quite happily drive my series 1 V8 auto everyday with it being standard, but the small touches like the dipping rear view mirror, 5 speed manual gearbox (LT77) conversion so on make it slightly nicer to live with - and it is a cracking car to use everyday (or has been so far). The gearbox, Holley carb and Mallory distributor on mine combine to give slightly better fuel economy than standard, too - which I consider to be always a plus point.

I guess my post is asking what is more important - keeping a car completely standard, or retaining the character and essence of the car whilst making it as practical to run? I don't see bolt-on modifications as being especially ruining to the character of the vehicle, but that could be me :)

The average man in the street won't tell the difference, that's for sure. 8)

Having said all the above, I'd certainly not consider a good condition unmolested vehicle a good base to modify. I don't mind seeing wrecks rebuilt and modified thoughtfully along the way, however.

Oh, and I'm rebuilding my 1960s Volkwagen Beetle back to (almost) standard - undoing many significant modifications which previous owners had inflicted upon the car prior to my buying it. :)

Edit: Whoops, this has gone a little off-topic :D
 
5 speed boxes are a good conversion, as iselctronic ignition etc .... but, why not just flop in a late, slightly larger injected lump! An engine which starts from cold every day, is more fuel economical and puts out more power. In addition to that a low mileage mid to late 1990s engine runs sweetly on unleaded. The hotwire injection is said to be extremely robust and spares abound ---- this vs a 10.5:1, 140 (if your lucky) bhp, early engine ..... I am not saying go out and swap our engines over, far from it. If it is not broke then dont fix it, but any significant trouble with the engine, i.e. needing head gaskets, new cams, carb rebuilding or heaven help you a new rope seal, then why not upgrade and modernise and have an infinitely more driveable car----- keep the old engine in storage, with oil down the bores and crank it over from time to time ...... when you go to sell the car, see how many buyers would want the old engine!!
 
I agree with TP, but then I'm an engineer and like fiddling with things. My litmus test is whether the car is how Rover might have done it with a bit more time and development money. Preferably with Rover components. The engine discussion is a good one. I have no problem with injected engines of whatever capacity. After all you're simply replicating the 3500EI of 1970! Or the sports model of P6 that would undoubtedly have followed introduction of the 4.4ltr P8 in 1971! Likewise the suspension on Lucky is, as far as I can see, 2000S specification.

Chris
 
From 1986 until 2007, my original 10.5 : 1 CR 3.5 litre engine saw little in the way of modernisation. I replaced the points and capacitor with a Lumenition system back in 1990 and that alone made a major difference. My Rover was then and still is a daily driver, so there was no way I was going to retain points any longer than I needed to. I always carried them "just in case" but luckily they have never been needed.

I replaced the original paper element air filters with foam filters and had a stainless steel single skin exhaust system made up, but that was about it. In the mid 1990s I replaced the head gaskets with composite ones and fitted new rocker shafts. I did add an additional transmission oil cooler to run in series with the inbuilt radiator unit, as for Australian conditions the latter is entirely inadequate.

I am pleased to say that the rope oil seal in the timing cover never leaked.. :D

When the time came for action and money to be spent I had no problem in having a big Rover V8 fitted, the 4.6 litre. I have no intention of ever selling my Rover, so everything i do for it and the money that I spend on it is for me. I have personalised my Rover and it so much the better for it.

The last test for my original 3.5 litre was a dyno run...and being an automatic the test is undertaken in 2nd gear. The maximum power that was delivered to the rear wheels was 69kW...thats 93HP. My engine was certainly less powerful than it once was, the camshaft, lifters and timing set all made sure of that, not to mention having to run the timing at TDC which certainly did not help either. I have driven a number of other 3500 automatics over the years, and I have to say that they all felt "much of a muchness".

I think that what Jim (TP3500S) has done with his Rover is really excellent for all the reasons he has outlined. He too has personalised his Rover, and the enjoyment that he receives as I do from mine is so very worth it.

Ron.
 
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