Carburettor's (again!!!)

snapper8v

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I've got a big flat spot at around 3k RPM (70MPH). Before I throw the towel in and take her to a specialist, I'd like to know something. Upon looking down the carb. throats (HS6), the piston on the LH side (when facing the engine) is flush whereas the RH piston has about 3 mm of lift, which one is correct? On a plus side I now have heat in the car, I've just reversed flushed the heater matrix and didn't end up with a puddle in the drivers foot well :D, just need to sort out the air conditioning in a few months time. Thanks.
LAWRENCE




Edited By snapper8v on 1201444847
 
Just to elaborate a little, when the engine is off, both pistons are down, it's only on tickover that the RH piston is raised.
LAWRENCE




Edited By snapper8v on 1201444894
 
Sounds like your carbs are simply a bit out of balance. Balancing and a good tune up should solve your problems
 
When the engine is running the piston should not be completely down. Even at idle it should be lifted a little. Assuming that both pistons move freely you should balance the carbs. The flat spot points to a sticky piston. Check this out first and if the pistons are still unevenly lifted try to balance the carbs.

Demetris
 
It sounds like the carbs need balancing, from what you say it would appear to be running on one carb at tickover. This will cause problems right through the rev. range.
Set the dwell and timing before you start adjusting the carbs.

Personally I'd junk the HS6's and fit the HIF6's and manifold from a later car.




Edited By harveyp6 on 1201472618
 
Thanks everyone. A local garage was having a look around the car last year (just out of interest) and said then that the carbs were out, even though she drove O.K. back then. I'll go back & have balanced.
LAWRENCE
 
As Harvey says, start with the ignition system in good nick, so change the points, plugs and especially the distributor cap and plug leads. The latter because an old distributor cap is likely to be tracking sparks accross its surface (too many cylinders for the size of cap!) and the V8 is notoriously susceptible to poor plug leads. There is a very recent post on here about timing which discusses the two advance retard mechanisms on the distributor that is worth reading. Set the timing.

Next examine your throttle linkage. Go to Ian Wilson's site at Rover-Classics if you haven't got a parts manual (he has downloadable prints of all the pages) and check that you have all the rubber bushes and connection links etc in the system. It is quite common for the P6 to have "lost" a few of the bushes over the years. At best you will have lost half the available throttle opening between the pedal and the carbs, at worst one carb will open long before the other.

If all is well, next check that both carburettors reach full throttle simultaneously (engine stopped!). Adjust the likage between them if not. Remove the dashpot dampers and with the dampers out check that the pistons are free to rise and fall (engine stopped, finger down the induction tract). For really excellent results take the dashpots and pistons off the carburettors, remove the springs from both dashpots and dry the oil off everything. Now check that the pistons in both carbs take the same length of time to fall out of the dashpot. Swap pistons between dashpots until they do. Check both springs have the same free length (shorthand for the same strength).

Now you are ready to set the carbs with the engine running. You'll need a Gunson's Colourtune plug so that you can see the flame colour in the cylinder. Or if you're lazy two so that you can fit one each to a cylinder fed from each carb. Make sure that you can identify which carb feeds which cylinder by following the lumps in the inlet manifold. You'll also need a "stethoscope" to listen to the carb inlets. Any reasonably large piece of hose will do, I tend to use heater air ducting hose.

Set the engine to run at a fast idle, say 1200rpm. Set the mixture in each carb so that the flame visible in the colourtune is just going from orange to blue. Now listen to the "hiss" from each carb intake and adjust the slow running screw so that they both have the same hiss. Now repeat the misture setting. Repeat the hiss test. Keep going until you have both hiss and mixture correct at the same time.

Now check that operating the throttle linkage picks up both carburettors simultaneously. If it doesn't then you need to achieve a compromise between this test working ok and the full throttle test from earlier.

Next you can set your desired idle speed, again getting the carbs balanced using the hiss test.

Finally it is time to set the choke up. Adjust the linkages so that pulling the choke cable first picks up the throttles on both carbs simultaneously and then engages the mixture enrichment simultaneously.

Done!

And is it any surprise that you're often dissatisfied with the result when you've let a garage have a fiddle at tuning the engine! I can't see too many having either the knowledge or inclination to go through all that!

Chris

PS exactly the same procedure works for the TC as well.




Edited By chrisyork on 1201471087
 
Jees, thanks a lot Chris :( . I'm now running electronic ignition, so that's one little thing out of the equation. As for the rest, Ian's a little too far for the car to get to at the moment, probably not really safe to go across the M62 with all those hills, so I'll call Pete at JP tomorrow and see if he can have a look as I'm not really expereinced enough on these carbs, give me a Weber any day.
 
Just a quick update.........it turns that the problem was the fuel pump of all things, so it's seems to be all sorted :D . Pete at JP Restorations cleaned the carbs out & balanced them, but I was still getting the same symptoms (felt like a BIG flat spot), but on the way back from Pete's the problem was all the way through the rev range, but intermitent! I replaced the dizzy cap, to no avail, then replaced the leads, still to no avail. I was going to go back to Pete's to take the fuel pump off & clean it out, but instead ordered a new one from Ian @ Rover Classics which arrived at lunchtime. Thanks to everyone's responses.
LAWRENCE
 
Dave,
I fitted an electric pump to replace the OE electric pump. The signs were good when I took the old pump off and out poured a lot of dirty fuel which makes me think that the filter was really clogged up. Just to remind everyone, the car was sorned for around 8 years so I'm due a few teething problems/testing/patience/character building times ??? There's probably a few more bits of debris lurking in the fuel tank, so what I might do is put an in line filter between the tank and pump. Thanks.
LAWRENCE
 
There's been quite a bit of debate on this topic .Did you fit it in place of the old pump or re-plumb the whole system ?
 
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