when the tree huggers ban the use of petrol cars due to emissions

falkor

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Probably when the tree huggers ban the use of petrol cars due to emissions I remember reading that they was going ban classic cars from Paris due to the emissions I don’t know if they did it or not.
You can only sit in a electric self driven death trap, letting drives make decisions behind the wheel of a car how terrible and reckless it is to actually let people drive cars and a clear breach of health and safety regulations we must let the computers take over,
I agree it is a shame when to a lot of people it’s just a hobby,
in 20 years time there could be more electric cars than petrol, in fact P6 DAYS ARE NUMBERED!!

I was thinking, ok , just put an electric motor into the engine bay of a P6, hey presto you got a P6 electric

but, that wouldn't work. Electric cars are basically one huge battery (as the floor) with 4 wheels at each corner of the battery. the battery in electric cars is so huge it basically IS the entire floor of the car, so you can put an SD1 engine into a P6, I guess theoretically it could even run on a diesel engine but it is never going to be an electric car
so , we have got to enjoy them while we can, luckily the UK government is sentimental, they say all cars made before 1979 can be tax exempt and can be MOT exempt, that is one heck of a privilege and did not apply when I ran my previous two P6s

Paris has banned old cars from the city, and some motorists are furious. Here's a guide to the new laws and what they mean for motorists.
Essentially, it's a ban on all vehicles that were registered before January 1st 1997 and all motorcycles registered before 1999.

There is a full list of the banned cars here.

The vehicles will be banned from being driven anywhere inside the Périphérique ring road, which acts as the city's limits, from 8am to 8pm each weekday.

Why are they banned?

Paris has been cracking down on pollution with a heavy hand lately, and old vehicles play a large part of the problem. In fact, cars older than ten years are estimated to cause half of the city's air pollution.
yikes, that could have been London
 

corazon

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Before you write off electric conversions you’d be wise to check the Zombie 222 ‘68 fastback mustang which does 0-60 in 1.79 seconds with 1800 ft/lbs torque and 1000hp. Twin DC motors in an all steel bodied car retaining original glass etc
Jim
 

cobraboy

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Before you write off electric conversions you’d be wise to check the Zombie 222 ‘68 fastback mustang which does 0-60 in 1.79 seconds with 1800 ft/lbs torque and 1000hp. Twin DC motors in an all steel bodied car retaining original glass etc
Jim
But not the original VIN number ;):eek::eek::eek::oops:
 

quattro

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#6
There are companies selling conversion kits for classic cars now. I haven't seen one for a P6 yet, but you can buy all of the bits and build your own.

Don't forget Gattaca :)
 

unstable load

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#7
I was thinking, ok , just put an electric motor into the engine bay of a P6, hey presto you got a P6 electric

but, that wouldn't work. Electric cars are basically one huge battery (as the floor) with 4 wheels at each corner of the battery. the battery in electric cars is so huge it basically IS the entire floor of the car
If you pull the engine, grearbox, fuel system with all the associated ancillaries and systems, you should free up more than enough space and weight to be able to fit batteries that will give you more than enough range for a daily driver.

This guy converted a Jeep to electric power back in 2014, and with the advances in battery technology as well as motor technology, it should be more than a feasible option.

Where you will probably run into issues would be with the DVLA and their requirements/rules etc.
 

GRTV8

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Just recently talking to an EV conversion guy . I questioned the possibility of using the P6 as an EV.
Basically not possible. The batteries would take her over the P6 vehicles weight limit. A 60-70's American vehicle would get away with a conversion.
So until the battery weights come down the P6 is gazumped. Well in NZ anyway.
Having said that - spend megabucks on the suspension and it could be a go-er.
 

Phil Robson

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Having to convert a P6 to an EV in order to continue running it would be where I opt out, I think.

The whole 'raisin d'etre' would have gone....
 
#10
Ah, the "pollution free" electric car......
This is on the Nullabor Plain between Perth and Adelaide in Australia. The road is 1675 km long so a charging station or two are required. They will be replaced by solar charge points when the right technology for the area becomes available.
 

ghce

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Just recently talking to an EV conversion guy . I questioned the possibility of using the P6 as an EV.
Basically not possible. The batteries would take her over the P6 vehicles weight limit. A 60-70's American vehicle would get away with a conversion.
So until the battery weights come down the P6 is gazumped. Well in NZ anyway.
Having said that - spend megabucks on the suspension and it could be a go-er.
I tend to suspect that your EV guy is giving incorrect information, an electric motor weighs somewhat less that a 8 cylinder engine and that obsolete BW35-65 is not required either, batteries on the other hand including the electric motor would weight considerably less.
 

Ban306

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#12
I really don’t think battery cars are a way forward at all, with battery cars you still have to get the power from somewhere and where will all this power come from power stations,
we will need a lot power at 6pm when everyone returns home from work and plugs in there battery car, not to mention what happens with the old battery’s I suppose we will pay a third world somewhere for them to be dumped and have the locals working for very little sorting the battery’s
with little or no safety equipment, I think hydrogen cars is the way forward until something better is invented
 

quattro

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#13
I tend to suspect that your EV guy is giving incorrect information, an electric motor weighs somewhat less that a 8 cylinder engine and that obsolete BW35-65 is not required either, batteries on the other hand including the electric motor would weight considerably less.
Full tank of petrol weighs around 50Kg, and you won't be needing that either.
 

colnerov

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I really don’t think battery cars are a way forward at all, with battery cars you still have to get the power from somewhere and where will all this power come from power stations,
we will need a lot power at 6pm when everyone returns home from work and plugs in there battery car, not to mention what happens with the old battery’s I suppose we will pay a third world somewhere for them to be dumped and have the locals working for very little sorting the battery’s
with little or no safety equipment, I think hydrogen cars is the way forward until something better is invented
Hi, That's why the push for smart meters, so they can charge more for electricity used at peak times, your peak times!

Colin
 

ghce

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As much as I beleive that the future of motoring is electric cars.....it isn't, well not yet and for good reasons as stated above, where's the juice coming from! Until Nuclear Fusion becomes a real thing and not just the scientific communities "Next Big Thing" we will have a blend of motoring with Hybrid cars and electric plus Hydrogen and or compressed air.

Right now is the best time to own an electric, in 10 years time the government will have taxed the hell out of it in an attempt to recover their lost tax dollars from Petrol supply.

Graeme
 

Ban306

Active Member
#17
I agree the waste from nuclear fuel is a massive problem as well, the sea is a constant power and we are surrounded by the seas I have never understood why they don’t do more to invest in power from the sea it’s a massive natural energy source
 

ghce

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#18
Using natural Gravity to provide power ( the sea) requires a huge amount of infrastructure for workable output which means a huge dollar investment and the maintenance cost of large structures in a corrosive salt sea water environment would make it very expensive power indeed so not likely any time soon.

Nuclear Fusion on the other hand is a massive disruptor, the world would become completely unrecognisable in a short period of time with the advent of very cheap clean power, you can only guess at the technologies that will emerge let alone the probable dominance of underutilised current tech
 

sdibbers

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Renewable energy is already the cheapest way to produce electricity. That’s what’s closing down carbon heavy power stations (coal, oil etc). The argument that you’ll still be creating pollution with fueling an electric car is bunk. At least you have options for power generation that won’t add to climate change. I think battery tech is reaching a point where it will easily fit into a P6 while giving 300+ miles of range in the next five years.

It won’t be electric cars that kill classic world, it’ll be whether we will be allowed to drive our own cars. The next generations are less interested in driving, an autonomous vehicle is of more interest to them. They’ll be a point where getting insurance to allow you to drive your own car will be very expensive.
 
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