Problems with Dual-Line - Transform to Single-Line?

Hohenrover

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Hello,
I´m from germany and not sure if I should post my question here (Forum rules: ... no bad language ...) -> sorry for my bad english :wink: !

I have bought me a P6 from 1972. It´s a 3500 automatic. LHD. Originaly from sweden. And it entertains me with some strange problems with the brakes. The servo-cylinder has got new rubbers. It creates a quite good vacuum (If the engine is turned off, the vacuum in the servo is enough for 3-4 times pressing the brake-pedal. You can hear the pffft.) So the vakuum and the valve at the master-cylinders also seems to work right.
But it feels like no servo-support at all. I tried some things:

1. If I disconnect the hose between the servo-chamber and the air-valve at the master the servo works: the rear brakes are nearly blocked. But the front-wheels can still be turned easily by hand! No braking here at all! (This should not be possible, because the servo presses at first an the cylinder of the front-brake-circuit and this cylinder (or the brake-fluid in between) presses then on the separat cylinder of the rear brakes!) If I then press the pedal, there is braking-power also on the front-wheels and stays as long as the hose is disconnected.

2. If the hose between the inlet-manifold and the servo is disconnected (no vacuum) the brakes front and rear work. But no servo-support.

3. There is still some air in the front-brakes - tried it with eezibleed. Will try it again the traditional way. -> But a little air should in my opinion also transport so little braking-power, that the front-brakes should work a little !? But they don´t work at all in this #1-constellation. In the #2-constellation they work so good that the front-wheels can be blocked on grabbel. Pressing the brake-pedal the first time it feels very soft. The second time it feels "normal". Staying on the pedal it holds the pressure and doesn´t get soft.

-> Does anyone have an idea what the reason could be? :?

-> I`m not really sure, if the servo-cylinder is the right one for my car. Looks like it could have been changed by one of the pre-owners. The Numer on it: "Lockheed 3231 8226"

Where can I get parts for the Dual-Line-System? I´d like to try an used servo-cylinder and maybe also master-cylinder.
Is it difficult to transform it to the Single-Line-System? :cry:

Thanks a lot!
Christian
 
Hello Hohenrover,

Congratulations on your car :)

First of all you have to get all the air out of the system, which causes funny behaviour all over the place giving you all kinds of false symptoms you otherwise won't have. It can typically give you virtually no braking on the first pump of the pedal, then some on the second, and more on the third. There can be other bugs at work, but the air needs to go before you can troubleshoot.

Did you do the cylinder job yourself? Bleeding the dual-circuit system after a big seals job was difficult when I did mine. I had to begin at the splitter (four-way cross, mounted by the servo), then the wheels in the desired combination. But if you have a garage nearby with a pressurised brakes-bleeding system that's what you really want.

You have PM re. parts.

Cheers,

Tor
 
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