Oil Pump Removal and Upgrade Kit

GRTV8

GRTV8

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Hi Guys
Ive bought an oil upgrade kit for my Series 2 V8. from V8 Tuner UK.
All looks rather straight forward UNTIL --------
Short story is what are those 6 strange bolts holding the oil pump housing onto the timing cover on my car ?
None of my huge range of sockets look anything like addressing these bolts.
Can some one give me the name and size of these bolt heads so I won't look an arse at the toolshop when I go to buy the appropriate socket .
Im pleased to see the new bolts that come with the up grade kit have standard heads .
Gerald
 
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I think a 5/16" multihex will do it. I'd have to check on a spare bolt to be sure though...
 
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KiwiRover said:
I think a 5/16" multihex will do it. I'd have to check on a spare bolt to be sure though…
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Thanks for that Al.
Ive never seen this type of head before
I'd bank on you being right .Will I need a socket or small ring spanner - looks rather tight for space in there .
Any leads as to who would stock this socket in Ak .
cheers
Gerald
 
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Any decent tool store should carry Imperial sized 12 point stuff.
If you have new bolts for the pump, then an 8mm will suffice to
remove the old ones. Pack the new pump with vaseline or grease
before fitting it and you shouldn't have priming issues on start-up
but it's always good to crank the engine and check for oil flow first.
 
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unstable load said:
Any decent tool store should carry Imperial sized 12 point stuff.
If you have new bolts for the pump, then an 8mm will suffice to
remove the old ones. Pack the new pump with vaseline or grease
before fitting it and you shouldn't have priming issues on start-up
but it's always good to crank the engine and check for oil flow first.
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Thanks Unstable Load .
I was all set from the get go until I was introduced to these bolt heads .
I picked up some petroleum jelly today . Had a bit of bother as most auto shops couldn't understand my request . One wag had some KY jelly in his car I could have !!!
Ended up at the local supermarket in the baby isle amongst the nappies and bum wipes .Got my vaseline and was out of there .
Gerald
 
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Hello Gerald .
I don't want to dampen your day but reading your post it sounds as though your going to attempt to do the conversion with the pump on the car . While technically it can be done , in practice you will struggle for access and lining everything up correctly when it cones to drilling the housing , and measuring , setting it all up with the shims ( supplied in the kit . I removed the front cover ( i think it even recommends this in the instructions )
If i've read it wrong , sorry , if not and you go for it on the car i hope it goes o,k . The socket you need is nothing special , just a 12 point standard socket . You probably have one without realising :D
 
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Hi Stina
Funnily enough I do have a 12 point spanner in my tool repertoire , But murph's law its the one that doesn't fit .
I take heed to your recommendations and may well remove the whole shooting match . As you say lining it all up in situ and drilling those peg holes will be a mission and could go horribly pear shape.
Added to the mix is her a/c set up with pipes and condenser in the way . So I eventually see tools being chucked everywhere in frustration .
Ive already lost some bark from just putting a capillary oil gauge onto the pump . Have invented some new swear words . PM me if anyone wants a bucket full .
At least Ive got a large workshop area to work in compared to some of the work places that have been posted on this forum .
Now where did I put the four post hoist . Ah thats right some silly numba didn't buy one as he thought he will probably never use it .
One problem I can see is my oil filter only just fits in next to the radiator shroud . With the new thicker block that will go onto the pump - will my huge lifetime supply of oil filters fit in that restricted space ? Ah Ah Ah
Oh well .When things get on top of me I'll just stand back and look at that wonderful Almond coloured P6 in front of me and I'll go to my "happy place "
thanks
Gerald
 
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OK
So now Ive bitten the bullet ,Ive decide to do a pictorial notebook for all those interested in the oil pump upgrade process .And I must add Im a complete numba with a tool kit that only has left handed screwdrivers and hammers .
First up - pics of my massif barn full of sh** stored in there by myself , wife and three kids . All cool stuff they may need one day .!!! 30yrs of junk .
Half the time my truck and tractor spends their days out under canvas coz the shed is too full .
There is my P6 stashed away in there and when I do find it and get to play with it I guess it is a genuine "Barn Find".
Out of embarrassment to myself I won't take any photos of the barn interior . Other than the small area that is a P6 tribute wall .
I will be seeking treatment for my hoarding disorder .
And my P6 obsession
Gerald
 

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Hoarding is the least of your worries, it's that colour dystopia that needs curing first.

Graeme
 
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Your photo makes me homesick for my old house, so many big garages, over 20,000 ft/2 under cover, now reduced to just a double garage and workshop :roll: oh the igmony :LOL: but as the saying goes more than a mouthful is just a waste :mrgreen:

Graeme
 
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Hi Gerald , i love that garage , Maybe we should have a garage thread on here .
As for the oil pump another reason to remove the timing cover . ( i remembered yesterday ) The shaft of the driven gear will no doubt have a layer of varnishy hard crud on it which if just pulled through the bearing in the cover could score it . possibly rendering it scrap . you could certainly loose pressure after all your hard work through the bearing :( With the cover removed you can soften it up with thinners/fuel first :wink:
If you remove the cover you could replace the timing gear and chain , and the front crank seal with a neoprene upgrade :D
 
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John
Im going to back my tipper truck up to the shed very soon . Anything I haven't used in 30yrs is going into the back for a trip to the tip . Then I'll get my man cave back .

Graeme
the reason my P6 is yella , is so I can see it in that shed at night - it glows in the dark you know .

Stina
you are a great source of info and your work on that car an inspiration to us mere try hards .
Seeing as its going to be quite an effort to get this upgrade kit in , I'll take my time and as you suggest replace anything that can be . Thanks for the heads up re the removal of the pump too.
Ive spent 3hrs just in removing the radiator and front panels .Its not that easy with my huge hands and the factory A/C . There's always a nut nice and tight hiding away behind a belt or hose .
Wifie and I are off for 4 days to our bach on the coast for some RnR drink a few chardies ,mow the lawns and catch a fish or two .
So rover has been pushed back into the shed with all her vital fluids missing . Pulled panels down to show off her underwear so I don't damage that lovely almond paintwork . Those P6 engineers were very clever in making those panels removable for us DIY's.
Hopefully when I get back , Rover get some attention if the farm doesn't demand primary attention
Gerald
 
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stina said:
If you remove the cover you could replace the timing gear and chain , and the front crank seal with a neoprene upgrade :D
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Stina
Where did you source these items .Is the neoprene crank seal a better alternative to the standard seal ? I haven't got to that point yet but if my crank seal is not leaking is it worth disturbing and replacing ?
Gerald
 
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The crank seal i got from RPI via ebay , it's a modification over the rope one , but easy to fit , you just need to remove the original stake marks then tap it in . Had a quick look but can't find a link to it at the moment , i'll have a better look later . The timing gears i used were JLE engineering and adjustable on a key way system , but as i've only ever run it at 0 degrees i would probably just buy an uprated steel one if i was doing it again . You can pick them up allot cheaper . Have a look at V8 tuner site , he does a set . It will put your timing back to where it was when new , before the chain streached :wink:
 
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DaveHerns said:
Then I'll get my man cave back .
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Shouldn't it be "person cave" to avoid offence ?
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I reckon you'd have to be pretty pathetic to be offended by that Dave , Especially as it's a really interesting thread . Lets not cock it up and go off topic eh ? :wink:
 
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DaveHerns said:
Then I'll get my man cave back .
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Shouldn't it be "person cave" to avoid offence ?
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Dave
My man cave is not under threat from the PC brigade . I live so far out in the bush that the only visitors we get are JoWits looking to save my sorry arse , [ hasn't worked yet ]
My long suffering spouse encourages my disappearance into the shed . She prefers me in there as to over in the forest , dropping ginormous trees on my head or being gored by my big ferocious bull.
Im always getting into strife for being unPC . Not likely to change

Stina thanks for those leads .
 
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OMG look at me Im supposed to be loading the car up for our holiday and Im on here driving the other half nuts .
Ive spotted this double row timing chain .
$211 NZ
Machined from solid billet steel , 9 crank positions . As used in race motors . Straight fit apparently .
Anyone spot a problem before I slip out the wallet and let a whole lot of moths out into the environment .
Stina I am expecting a reply from you !!
 

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