JVY & Classic British Aircraft

JVY

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Just for something to do, I thought I would make an effort to take pic's of my car next to classic British aircraft. The sort that were being developed or in service during the days of the P6.
 

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Great pics! Love the way the Vulcan's peering over the hedge. Those were 2 aircraft that were able to get on station really quickly once scrambled, essentially vertically, almost straight after takeoff. Its also amazing to think that there is only a gap of 11 years between the maiden flight of the Lancaster bomber and the maiden flight of the Vulcan. :shock:
There used to be a Lightning as a "gate guardian" where I used to work at RAF West Drayton, ( London air traffic control centre), til Management decided to crush it one day with a mechanical crusher, and cart the remains off in a skip or ten.. That was a travesty! :evil:
 
I work at Swanwick now, moved from West Drayton before it closed. I know John Oram, who took those pics.. Must try and get one of my P6 parked by it.. :D
Here's a few of the lightning...
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And later...
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Until fairly recently, there was also a beaten up Lightning (IIRC) up the A1 in a yard at the side of the road. It was once on it's own, then surrounded by scrap, then on it's own again. Then last time I went up I couldn't see it so unless I missed it then it's been taken. It always looked a bit sad, sat pointing up to the sky as if it was trying to get back up there.

As a matter of interest, the Vulcan's secondary electrical generator is a Rover unit.
 
Great pics Steve. That's a treble one (111) aka tremblers Squadron Lightning :D I worked on that squadron for a while in a previous life. They had Phantoms then though.

Dave
 
Great photos, Steve! Didn't realise you'd been in Dumfries so recently. The aviation museum there isn't bad at all!
 
V8P6B said:
And later...
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I hope there is a really hot corner reserved for the barstewards that did that when they re-muster. :cry:
It used to be one of the greateast sounds I have ever heard when the Thunder City Lightnings used to fly
in Cape Town, not to mention the Hunter and Buccaneers.
It all ended with an airshow crash that killed the display pilot, sadly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_City
 
The Rovering Member said:
As a matter of interest, the Vulcan's secondary electrical generator is a Rover unit.

It's a 1S/82 and is designated an AAPU. The same as in the Nimrod.. and in my garage on a stand ;)
 
chrisw said:
The Rovering Member said:
As a matter of interest, the Vulcan's secondary electrical generator is a Rover unit.

It's a 1S/82 and is designated an AAPU. The same as in the Nimrod.. and in my garage on a stand ;)

:D I had to Wiki that one - very interesting. I had no idea that Rover provided systems to the military. Not big surprise though, considering the history and military ties some other car companies had I suppose.

Is it the low altitude AAPP you're talking about?

For greater efficiency and higher reliability,[108] the main system on the B.2 was changed to three-phase 200V AC at 400 Hz supplied by four 40kVA engine-driven constant speed alternators. Standby supplies in the event of a main AC failure were provided by a Ram Air Turbine (RAT) driving a 17kVA alternator that could operate at high altitude down to 20,000 ft (6,100 m), and an Airborne Auxiliary Power Plant (AAPP),[109] a Rover[35] gas turbine driving a 40kVA alternator, which could be started once the aircraft was below an altitude of 30,000 ft (9,100 m). Secondary electrical supplies were similar to the B.1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan

Is it the turbine/alternator you have? Does it work? At 200V ac, 400Hz 3-phase, maybe not much use for powering your house in a blackout :?:
 
The Rovering Member said:
Until fairly recently, there was also a beaten up Lightning (IIRC) up the A1 in a yard at the side of the road. It was once on it's own, then surrounded by scrap, then on it's own again. Then last time I went up I couldn't see it so unless I missed it then it's been taken. It always looked a bit sad, sat pointing up to the sky as if it was trying to get back up there.

As a matter of interest, the Vulcan's secondary electrical generator is a Rover unit.

This is the one.



However, recently it was scrapped. I believe the cockpit section was saved for restoration.








XN728 in happier times.
 
I hope there is a really hot corner reserved for the barstewards that did that when they re-muster. :cry:
It used to be one of the greateast sounds I have ever heard when the Thunder City Lightnings used to fly
in Cape Town, not to mention the Hunter and Buccaneers.
It all ended with an airshow crash that killed the display pilot, sadly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_City

John, I read the SA CAA report on that accident. It was tragic that the pilot was killed - in the end, probably (and if understood correctly) because his ejector seat cartridges were way past there expiry date.

Unfortunately, the Vulcan's history is also somewhat marred by quite a number of crashes and incidents. I found this one on the Wiki page. Doesn't mention anyone being hurt, so I wonder if it's OK to see the funny side?

On 16 September 1960, Vulcan B.2 XH557 wrecked the appropriately named "Runway Garage" at Filton. XH557 had been allocated to Bristol Siddeley Engines to test the Olympus 301 engine and was being delivered to Filton. Approaching in poor weather conditions, the aircraft touched down halfway along the runway. The braking parachute was streamed but realising the aircraft would not stop in time, the captain opened the throttles to go round. A street light on the A38 was struck as the aircraft climbed away, leaving a scene of chaos behind it. The Runway Garage took the full force of the jet blast: four petrol pumps were blown flat; a street light lay across the road; railings were blown over; and cars had their windscreens shattered. The aircraft diverted to St. Mawgan and was flown back to Filton some days later
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_vulcan
 
Mikep said:
The Rovering Member said:
Until fairly recently, there was also a beaten up Lightning (IIRC) up the A1 in a yard at the side of the road. It was once on it's own, then surrounded by scrap, then on it's own again. Then last time I went up I couldn't see it so unless I missed it then it's been taken. It always looked a bit sad, sat pointing up to the sky as if it was trying to get back up there.

This is the one.


It certainly is. :D Nice to see it up close, shame it was scrapped. And that's it before it found itself in a scrappy next to the A1, is it? Lovely, thanks very much for that. I always felt a bit sorry for her when I passed, sitting there all forlorn. Silly really. :oops:
 
Hi
Looks like you were at Coventry the same day I was there. That's a very nice car you have. Did you try the DC6 diner nearby?
 
Interesting thread lads , been following it , keep it coming .
When we were kids around 73 / 76 ish we came out of school , their was an almighty row (( and the sky was dark for some reason ! ) Anyhoo , it was a Jaguar fighter on test , it went down about 3 miles away from the village where we lived . pilot , co pilot had ejected by the time we saw it . I had a bit of wire with a connector on it that my dad found near the crater it made as it went in , don't know what happened to that .
I think that's where my interest in planes came from .
Their was a local paper article on it a few years back , i have it somewhere :?
Anyhoo the nearest town was Wimborne Minster if any one wants to google it .
 
RobH said:
Hi
Looks like you were at Coventry the same day I was there. That's a very nice car you have. Did you try the DC6 diner nearby?
http://dc6diner.com/
Rob, alas no, I didn't know about the DC6 diner :( . A pity, as going the website, it looks quite good. I take it you have maybe tried it?
Popped by the Coventry Air Museum after I left the RSR Coughton Court on 30 June. As I had my two youngest in tow, didn't really get a proper chance to look at everything (like the Frank Whittle exhibits). Certainly worth a visit as they have a lot of interesting stuff. They had the Vulcan open, so you could climb into the cockpit. Given today's 'ealth'n'safety madness, I was pleasantly surprised at this - it's quite a long way a rather small ladder to get on board. Well worth it though as I think it's the Vulcan in the UK that the public can get access to.
 
stina said:
Interesting thread lads , been following it , keep it coming .
When we were kids around 73 / 76 ish we came out of school , their was an almighty row (( and the sky was dark for some reason ! ) Anyhoo , it was a Jaguar fighter on test , it went down about 3 miles away from the village where we lived . pilot , co pilot had ejected by the time we saw it . I had a bit of wire with a connector on it that my dad found near the crater it made as it went in , don't know what happened to that .
I think that's where my interest in planes came from .
Their was a local paper article on it a few years back , i have it somewhere :?
Anyhoo the nearest town was Wimborne Minster if any one wants to google it .
I would imagine that the Jaguar in question was the two-seater XX136 which was from Aeroplane and Armaments Experimental Establishment (A&AEE) Boscombe Down which crashed on 22 November 1974
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Airc ... Jaguar.htm
 
JVY said:
John, I read the SA CAA report on that accident. It was tragic that the pilot was killed - in the end, probably (and if understood correctly) because his ejector seat cartridges were way past there expiry date.
The cartridges were Timex, but the thing that killed him was a hydraulic failure. The Lightning needs hydraulic
power to be able to jettison the cockpit canopy and only then does the ejection circuit arm for activation.
I believe the company is close to getting their AOC back soon, but whether this will return the Frightening to
the skies is still uncertain.
 
Richard Moss said:
stina said:
Interesting thread lads , been following it , keep it coming .
When we were kids around 73 / 76 ish we came out of school , their was an almighty row (( and the sky was dark for some reason ! ) Anyhoo , it was a Jaguar fighter on test , it went down about 3 miles away from the village where we lived . pilot , co pilot had ejected by the time we saw it . I had a bit of wire with a connector on it that my dad found near the crater it made as it went in , don't know what happened to that .
I think that's where my interest in planes came from .
Their was a local paper article on it a few years back , i have it somewhere :?
Anyhoo the nearest town was Wimborne Minster if any one wants to google it .
I would imagine that the Jaguar in question was the two-seater XX136 which was from Aeroplane and Armaments Experimental Establishment (A&AEE) Boscombe Down which crashed on 22 November 1974
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Airc ... Jaguar.htm

Yeah that's it , well found , the village was Wimborne st giles . 74 , wow my rover was 3 months old !
 
That website with Jaguar losses and ejections is pretty grim. I couldn't believe he number of incidents listed. I quickly tallied up approx. 60 RAF Jaguars crashed. The Wiki article for the Jaguar mentions the RAF taking delivery of an order for 165 and 35 trainers. Quite a sad loss rate of crew and aircraft :shock: .
 
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