bought this car Yesterday

sdibbers

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#3
Nice one. It’s been an interesting conversation around this car. Sure VIP’s rare, but someone has taken a lot of care building a car they want. Good luck to you!
 

falkor

Active Member
#4
thanks dibbers, I actually intended on getting a 3500V8 back in 1976 when I first decided on getting a P6. I was aged 19 and phoned insurance companies until I was blue in the face, none were interested and (refused to quote me) several suggested going for a Rover 2000 instead which I did, I got my first P6 an L Reg 2000SC auto .... this has been a long time coming :)
 

falkor

Active Member
#6
well I had to be careful. its okay getting a P6 if its just you

but if you have a MISSUS who is used to a modern car with Air Con, who is used to plush seats that are immaculate, etc etc then this car is the answer

its the V8 that I always wanted and all the stuff that has been done to it e.g. Air Con, brand new seats , leather steering wheel (thats gotta go!!) - all this is what pacifies my missus, cos this car is our only car!! I believe its good enough to be our main car, I was talking to the insurance co yesterday, I have 5000 miles, so I checked my MOTS on the present car which shows mileage and 2 years ago I did just over 3000 miles. last year 4500 miles , so I think 5000 miles will be fine (what happens if you do 5001?)
 

cobraboy

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#7
[QUOTE="falkor, post: 377778, member: 3151 (what happens if you do 5001?)[/QUOTE]
You call them up straight away and buy more miles.
I take it you will get an agreed value policy ?
Enjoy the car.
 

falkor

Active Member
#8
hi Cobra :) yes, I had never heard of an agreed value policy before until chatting to the Insurance Co yesterday, that is something they explained to me (the phone call went on for quite a while!)

oh thanks for the advice "you call them up straight away and buy more miles. " yeah of course, will keep an eye on that but going by my previous mileage last few years should be fine.

3 years ago the car was up for Auction, the site still has the photos from 3 years ago Rover 3500 P6 VIP 1976 - South Western Vehicle Auctions Ltd as far as I can tell when I went to do the test drive, looks exactly the same
 

Ban306

Active Member
#9
Hi Falkor Welcome Nice Car I wish mine was as tidy as that, if I used my P6 as a daily driver I would need to get a bus pass and a divorce :)
You must have a very understanding missus lol
I suppose the insurance company as for a agreed value in the event of a total loss a value that you both agree on with a bit of wiggle room ie some people might say the car is worth 2k to get cheap insurance then say the car is a total loss but had loads of man hours spent on it and 30k so they now want 32k bla bla bla
It always surprises me with my insurance they tend to enquire how many miles you are going to travel in a year but then don't enquire how many miles are already on the clock strange oh well :rolleyes:
You can get a discount with some insurance company's if you join the Rover P6 Club if you have not already and they will also send you a monthly mag through the post its well worth the money they ask in fact I don't know how they can do it for the £25 membership fee Bargain
Good luck with your new car don't worry about the Rover Purist and most of all enjoy it :)
 

cobraboy

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#10
I think insurance has moved on a bit, I find Hagerty very organised. Every year I get a mileage declaration form, I definitely don't want any wiggle at all, everything during my build was agreed, documented and photographed. The agreed value is the amount paid in a total loss.
A right to buy salvage is also a worthwhile addition.
RH are another company I have had good service from.
To add balance I would not ask Flux to insure a pram ;)
 

sdibbers

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#12
I’m based in the US but have had excellent service from Hegarty insurance. I had a major loss claim on my old car about nine years ago and they were great to deal with. Also no problem buying the car back for salvage. They just subtracted it from the claim.
 
#15
Hi, Well done in buying the VIP! There's quite a lot of info out there on the P6 aircon system and it is comprehensively covered in the workshop manual. The controls are quite complicated, and bespoke, but the actual refrigerant system is a basic 'expansion valve' type.
Pat at Fenair in Norfolk is your best bet. Look on his website and you'll see he's done a P6. He is an AC expert.
Good luck!
 

falkor

Active Member
#16
well Norfolk is where the car has stood for the past 3 years gathering dust and going nowhere. in all the time it was in Norfolk, the car dealer would prefer to describe the condition of the AIR CON simply as "inoperable" rather than buzz it over to your mate Pat at Fenair ;)

the AIR CON fitted currently is the orginal R12 which went obsolete in 2001, it was actually outlawed throughout the EC in 2001 and replaced by more environmentally friendly R134a by all manufacturers but this is itself now facing becoming obsolete too , In 2011, the European directive 2006/40/EC came into effect which classed R134a as significantly higher than the amount set out by the new law, a new refrigerant had to be sourced to replace R134a. this has now occurred and R134a is basically going to be phased out starting with new vehicles

so one look at the dinosaur "R12" system that my car currently has will reduce any MOT garage to basically 'terror,' as happened in my case
 
#17
Yes shame they didn't take it there...
You should be fine, R134a can still be used today and Pat would make up new 143a compatible hoses. The system (with an expansion valve and receiver dryer) is almost identical to that of a 1990s v8 discovery. I would replace the expansion valve, hoses, receiver dryer, and Ranco pressure switch with a modern replacement. Hopefully the condenser is ok, but if not he can supply an updated parallel flow one. As long as your vacuum controls are working it should be relatively straight forward....
all the best, Ed
 

falkor

Active Member
#18
Car manufacturers have been forced to change from R134a. the refrigerant used in the air conditioning system you mention from 2017 onwards cannot be installed in new vehicles. The EU has decided that that refrigerant used for the past 20 years is less environmentally friendly than a refrigerant with a lower Global Warming Potential (GWP). R1234yf is the new hero solution and thankfully can be used on any R134a system without too much problem arising I have been told, however it definitely cannot work on R12 systems, yes the V8 Discoverys and similar are a good comparison to go by , all the details you mentioned are good comment but Norfolk is too far for me, there are other "Fenairs" around, several similar experts across England can do the same thank goodness and we'll see what happens in the next 7 days, I will report back :p
 
#19
Yes you're absolutely right; new cars can't use R143a, but you can still use it in a systems designed for R12 and systems originally designed for R134a.
Alpinair in London also seem to be good, but i haven't used them.
good luck with it all! Ed
 

falkor

Active Member
#20
I met the MD of Alpinair in London recently and he looked over the P6 with great interest and I believe he mentioned a Discovery that they had converted to R1234yf or R134a, they can still convert to either at this time. he will ask the customer to choose R1234yf or R134a and can quickly summarise the 3 for you R12, R1234yf or R134a, he wrote down a short and sweet timeline for me to explain what had happened history wise
 
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