2200 3rd gear

marcus/rosie

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Hi all i ve been using the white rover for a week now and it sometimes will not go into 3 rd. It will change from 1st 2nd easy. Reverse is fine. It will go nearly all day into gear then it wont go into 3 rd. If i pull over and start again 1 2 gears it then goes into 3 rd . Any ideas the car as been stood for some years bit ive replaced the fluids and seals .
Anyone got an idea what it can be.
Regards
Marcus.
 
I'd have a look at the selectors initially before getting too involved. If you look forwards from the back, you should be looking for something that might be stopping the left hand selector rod moving backwards. Check for play on the selector striker lever while you're under there.
 
Its going to have to. I drove all day never missef a gear then near home would nt go into 3rd. Pulled over set off again and was fine. But then the next day did it nearly all day.
So i may have to swop boxes.
I ve looked and cant see any reason why it wont go into 3rd.
Marcus.
 
Well if there's nothing external then it's going to have to. Unless when it won't go into third it crunches it won't be a synchro cone. If it just won't engage then it's probably a fault in the selector hub itself.

If you look here:

http://www.rover-classics.co.uk/images/ ... ds_jpg.htm

You can see the ball bearing, spring and plate in the hub, and they can jam up on occasions.

It's strange that it doesn't do it all the time.
 
Just to clarify, does the problem occur when trying to select third when going both up and down the box, and if you shift 1-2 and then it won't go into third, can you miss third and select top OK, or if going down the box can you miss third and go straight to second, and after that it fixes itself, or is the only way on all occasions it happens to stop and start again from scratch?
 
Hi Harvey its when you go from 2 nd to 3rd it wont select i ve tried by passing 3 rd and going into 4 th but it wont go into that either. But if its ok it will go into all gears as it should. If i get into top gear i never have a problem going down the gears ie 4 th in 3 rd and so on.
But if i cant get from 2 nd to 3 rd i have to pull over and set off in 1st gear again then it will go into all the gears fine.
Then after a while will do it again.
Its puzzling me
But the car has sat for 15 years and its only now in using it but its had all fluids and seals replaced .
So im wondering is it just lack of use.
Regards
Marcus
 
marcus/rosie said:
its when you go from 2 nd to 3rd it wont select i ve tried by passing 3 rd and going into 4 th but it wont go into that either

That limits it to the hub, the 3rd/4th selector rod, or the interlock/detent system, and I think my money would be on the former.
 
Do you think i should just replace the gearbox . Or replace the rod selector.
I dont understand why its not working as the cars only done 42000 so would nt think it would be worn.
But maybe its just been stood around to much.
Regards
Marcus
 
If it was me in your position and I was certain that the problem was not external, and not able to be fixed externally, then I'd remove the box and dismantle it to find out what had been happening to cause the problem, and that would determine whether I'd repair that box, (preferrably), or if following your suggestion, replace it with an unknown quantity.
 
Thanks Harvey. I would like to refit the box so i will get that out and open it up.
Im not sure what i will be looking at but it will be something new .
Marcus
 
The problem you're up against is that it's an intermittant fault, so you'll be looking for something that in all likelihood won't be happening. I'd remove the top, inspect the detents and interlocks, and then operate the selectors by hand, to see if anything comes to light, after that it's a case of dismantling the box and mainshaft to inspect the 3rd/4th hub to see if you can spot anything amiss there.
 
Hi thanks i will do that and see how i get on. I do have two spare boxes so i can open one up to see if i can spot any difference if needed.
Thanks
Marcus
 
Hi all update on gearbox. I m still using car and it would nt go into 3 rd gear sometimes or 4th. This week i have been using car and i can get 1 2 and if i cant get 3 i go into 4 th which it will now do.
Once in top gear i can go down tje gearbox fine.
Im hoping that Harvey or anyone can think of why its doing this . Im guessing it maybe in gearbox as already mentioned.
But it does seem to be more willing . Any ideas welcome
Marcus
 
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